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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by RaynexFall on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:18 pm

    i have to agree with reaperfan on this, power in itself is not evil, as it is a neutral thing, any creature can have power, but what they choose with said power is who they are, a mage who goes insane with power, would have gone insane anyways, it is just the nature of the being, not the power.

    What your saying is that you want to control or destroy that which not all can comprehend, which is in itself a fear of the power. one can argue that power does corrupt, but is it truly the power?


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:29 pm

    I like Mages.

    My go-to playstyle is always the dexterous melee fighter, but I like variety too. Mage is probably my second choice, because it's even more of a glass cannon way to play, and I like that. Without the option to play as a thief, tank, ranger, or mage, etc., I'd just get bored of a game a lot faster!

    Also: if you co-op, a diverse group is a strong group. When I'd invade 3 tanks, it was cake to kill them. Invade a tank, a ranger, and a mage? I'd be in for a tough fight, and one wrong move and I was dead quickly. So make friends with mages--better to have them by your side than opposing you!


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by joeclone on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:29 pm

    this works i have been looking for something baffling to be racist against.

    damn dirty mages, breathing up all the other adventures air. you know mages are dummer than normal adventures! bigger wands though... supposedly



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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:31 pm

    I never said power is evil. but when the power is flawed at its most basic level it is not correct to say that it necessarily good.

    And seriously Mages have to earn their power? No they dont they just have it and learn how to control it.... or go nuts and turn into Abominations.

    Also I would say I understand various magical theories e.g based of games, book, etc..... having developed one myself for a book im writing.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by RaynexFall on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:34 pm

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I never said power is evil. but when the power is flawed at its most basic level it is not correct to say that it necessarily good.

    And seriously Mages have to earn their power? No they dont they just have it and learn how to control it.... or go nuts and turn into Abominations.

    does a swordsman not have to learn how to control his swing? does a archer not have to learn how to control his bow? does a king not have to learn how to control his own temperament? each of these have power. and each must learn to control it.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:35 pm

    But a warrior must earn his strength he his not born with it. It is not part of his fundemental make up.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by RaynexFall on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:37 pm

    are you sure? i was born quite a bit stronger than most people my age, i can match people who actually work out, with ease, yet i sit around all day. each person is made differently, so why are mages any different?


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by Reaperfan on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:38 pm

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:Also I would say I understand various magical theories e.g based of games, book, etc..... having developed one myself for a book im writing.

    Translation:


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:41 pm

    RaynexFall wrote:are you sure? i was born quite a bit stronger than most people my age, i can match people who actually work out, with ease, yet i sit around all day. each person is made differently, so why are mages any different?

    Anecdotal evidence has no bearing in discussion.

    Also Ive never worked out a day in my life... well not properly (i dont know if jogging counts) but I am able to match people of my level of fitness but not those who spend time regularly working out.

    Now i have some evidence with not factual bearing....

    (also note Im not being a **** I just really like to argue with people. Its the best form of discourse)


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:43 pm

    Reaperfan wrote:
    ViralEnsign_ wrote:Also I would say I understand various magical theories e.g based of games, book, etc..... having developed one myself for a book im writing.

    Translation:

    Magic has no bearing on reality and im not saying im absoutely right.

    I subscribe to Sakamoto Ryoma's

    "I do not do verbal battle with others, since even if I win an arguement I can't change the other person's way for life"

    \thus I enter arguements with the expectation that I will be proven wrong


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:43 pm

    now i want to make a fire baller, all they'll do is toss fire balls of all sizes and types, also, why no defensive magic like barriers etc to make up for the loss of defense? give sorcery the old warding spell from des...(maybe make it halve your magic attack during its duration though) also... what would you templars do with out mages to pick on? probably pick on ethnic groups by insiuating that they hide mage craft.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:44 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:now i want to make a fire baller, all they'll do is toss fire balls of all sizes and types, also, why no defensive magic like barriers etc to make up for the loss of defense? give sorcery the old warding spell from des...(maybe make it halve your magic attack during its duration though) also... what would you templars do with out mages to pick on? probably pick on ethnic groups by insiuating that they hide mage craft.

    Now thats a good point. Im sure we'd go and pick on the dwarves of the wood elves....


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by RaynexFall on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:45 pm

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:
    RaynexFall wrote:are you sure? i was born quite a bit stronger than most people my age, i can match people who actually work out, with ease, yet i sit around all day. each person is made differently, so why are mages any different?

    Anecdotal evidence has no bearing in discussion.

    Also Ive never worked out a day in my life... well not properly (i dont know if jogging counts) but I am able to match people of my level of fitness but not those who spend time regularly working out.

    Now i have some evidence with not factual bearing....

    (also note Im not being a **** I just really like to argue with people. Its the best form of discourse)

    well, believe me or not, thats your choice, but the question still stands, power is part of every humans genetic form, just in different amounts, so what makes a mage so different?

    (and i love to argue as well it is quite fun.)


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:01 pm

    But if we use anectdotal advice

    a- how do we know we arent lying?

    b- how do we quantify the value of your information vs mine?

    c- if my anecdote is contrary to your do we then discount the information all together?


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:03 pm

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:But a warrior must earn his strength he his not born with it. It is not part of his fundemental make up.
    Yes, it is.

    You're being selective of what evidence you choose to accept and what you choose to reject. You propose that a mage is born with his power, and refuse to accept that he must master it. Then you reject that a warrior is born with a warrior's genetic makeup, and propose that he must earn his strength. Why can someone be born a mage, but not a warrior?

    I propose to you that both are similar in both ways.

    - Some people are born with intelligence, some are born with physical attributes; some become mages, others become warriors. Are you proposing that anyone can become a warrior? That a mage, if he rejected is gifts, could pick up a sword? That the warrior's own stable-boy has the potential for the same physical prowess as he does? People are born with attributes and pre-dispositions, mages and warriors alike.

    - Everyone knows Mages go to schools. Not just Hogwarts, either! Dark Souls has Vinheim. Sure, there's people like Beatrice... but look how much use she is against the 4 Kings! silly Warriors must also learn to wield their weapons, everyone knows that.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:05 pm

    I dont believe in genetic predispostion. Its take the whole agency out of life. but I will reflect ion what you have said and come back with somehting more


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:06 pm

    No offense, but that's silly. Go outside and look at people. Some are tall, some are short; some are muscular, some are skinny. In school, some are naturally smart, others less so. Those are genetic pre-dispositions.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:14 pm

    Got half way through writing a counter arguement to that and realised you had me trapped.

    Suffice to say I agreed with the concept of genetic make up but beyond that genes cant tell you who or what you will become.

    I relent. Not all mages are evil but they still need to be policed.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:18 pm

    Everyone needs to be policed! Mages and Warriors alike. winking I respect you for changing your opinion, if only slightly. And I retract the "silly", it was not necessary in there (I'd edit it out, but I don't like editing a comment after it's been replied to).

    And it's true that genetic makeup is just the start. Someone can be born with the best of attributes for a certain path, but never go on it. And someone with lesser attributes can choose to go on that path and succeed at it. Someone who's born with the attributes of a mage can choos to become a warrior, but he won't be as good at it as someone who's born a warrior and becomes one, and vice-versa.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:23 pm

    I know and you beat me fair and square though what i consider to be a dirty and underhanded trick... making you and extremely good debater. Good work man.


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    [11:10:14 p.m.] Robb "the Ensign_": FATALITY!
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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by KomradDakka on Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:19 pm

    Lets not forget who the real enemy is here, Thieves.

    -Sneaking about
    -stealing priceless goods
    -only "good" for a profit.
    -carry around knives, to whittle you ask? no. to stab you in the spine and take your coin purse
    -poisons your finest wines before a feast, totally ruining the mood.


    Thieves are douche bags.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by cloudyeki on Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:21 pm

    I've no idea what you're talking about, Komrad.

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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by KomradDakka on Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:24 pm

    im onto you eki...


    on another note. why should mages and warriors quarrel. your both one half of the all destroying, heretic cleansing, death machine known as the Spell-Sword.


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    Re: Mage's must DIE!

    Post by BLA1NE on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:44 am

    Pff, hybrids! Well What is it It's pure or noth--wait, I don't like where this is going...


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