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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:14 am

    lol. Maybe we should call it the beiber ring. (btw boy bands suck)


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:32 am

    Hilarious! Bieber ring it is. Time to make a footnote to the wiki.....

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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by dancash1808 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:47 am

    Oh man. maybe thats a way to nerf it I know I would not use the thing if it caused the games soundtrack to play beiber xD


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:32 pm

    You're acting as if you are able to get as much defense and carry as much weight by using wolf ring and havels, thats not true. Just as you said damage, dwgr allows you to carry pretty much any weapon combo you want(and stack poise/save stats). If people needed to fast roll, if they wanted 76poise, they would have to sacrifice. Also the flip(handspring) travels a further distance, has longer invincibility frames, and makes it much easier to preform a roll backstab. What you said about people just lvling up further to be able to fast roll and carry whatever they want is true. Only why have it so you dont even need to lvl up? Why have lower lvls be able to do what you should have to go to lvl200+ to do? I'm done debating on this forum so yea, but theres a reason pretty much every single person uses the ring. Its not because its balanced. Also a lot of people just hate how it makes the fights, seems more like gymnastics practics then a brutal battle......thats the last im going to say.
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:04 pm

    lol you need 67end vs 40end(dwgr),an additional 27lvls(who needs those lvls anyways). Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not carphil, but that example is pretty much my point. Not only that, face those two builds off against each other. The large club is actually a great weapon to show the difference in the roll distance of dwgr vs normal fast roll, also it makes the I-frame differences very obvious. I had a very similar fight recently, i kept going punch of punch with the rolling r1. Everytime i would be slightly out of range, while the dwgr user would land the blow. All because the dwgr allows you to travel a slightly further distance then the fast roll(its about 1/2ft-1ft in game). Oops, i wasnt supposed to debate this anymore....
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Carphil on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:28 pm

    I agree, its because its cold and I'm lazy to type silly


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:29 pm

    Lord - I guess you have your answer, such as it is. There is no consensus. We have had similar discussions before. And, it always ends the same way - no agreement. It all boils down to preference and opinion.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Honor isn't what you use. It's how you use it.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by dancash1808 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:39 pm

    reim0027 wrote:
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Honor isn't what you use. It's how you use it.

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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:32 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/bwjkof8

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    Fastroll tanks, complete with slb and vit gouge.

    You being to far away instead of taking advantage of the fast roll shorter animation to attack is your mistake, you cant blame the beiber ring for that.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by ICEFANG on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:39 pm

    Perhaps a poll could give you more accurate data, something more tangible.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:41 pm

    ICEFANG wrote:Perhaps a poll could give you more accurate data, something more tangible.

    Reaperfan did some a long time ago, pretty much everyone uses it and also hates it according to that.

    I'm sure noone thinks it's unhonourable lol, but it's definitely not the most fondly looked upon piece of equipment in the game.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:50 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:http://tinyurl.com/bwjkof8

    http://tinyurl.com/cz78776

    Fastroll tanks, complete with slb and vit gouge.

    You being to far away instead of taking advantage of the fast roll shorter animation to attack is your mistake, you cant blame the beiber ring for that.
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:51 pm

    Lol forum, dont take advantage of the fact i said i wouldnt debate this further. Those examples are meaningless. Look at the vit. Plus, lol ,you dont even have enough weight left to hold a talisman. Of course you could wear even lighter armor then the maiden chest(2lbs, pretty damn light). I do agree that the jump back is slightly faster, but rolling r1s tend to be more useful. I actually use the jump back speed as a means to convince people to try and make a build w/o dwgr, so im not going to argue its a plus. Theres really no debating though, dwgr clearly has far more advantages. If it didnt you wouldnt see everyone using it. I havent tested this, but the jump back seems to have no i-frames(or its a very short) while the jump back with the dwgr seems to have the same i-frames as if you were flipping normally. I am pretty curious as to the actual difference in the i-frames, its much more noticeable if you never use dwgr. I think carps example was better, because it used the same weapons/armor comparing dwgr vs none. heres mine. You basically have to pick between dex/str or faith/int w/o dwgr, which is why dex/pyro builds work well as fast roll builds. I have two of them and they are one of the only builds i dont feel all that gimped as not using the dwgr. Yes you can try different armor combos ext, but in the end you sacrifice.Thats the point. Sorry i really cant help but argue this, it truly is the thing i hate most about this game. Actually its really the only thing i hate about it, i dont have issues with backstabs,spamming spells,ext like a lot of people do. I guess lag, but thats in any online game.

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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:07 pm

    I wasn't saying they're just as good, nor did I spend time building them. That wasn't the point, the point was that fastrolling tanks would go nowhere. They'd be less powerful in general, but so would everyone else so it hardly makes a difference. The vast majority of players would still have 53-77 poise, katanas or greatswords, and defense near on 400.

    If you were lucky, the decreased hp would translate into 1 less hit needed to kill, and the decreased hp would make backstabs even more powerful. The players good enough to roll bs would simply adjust and roll bs anyways, and it would take a larger % of the average builds hp.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by RailBladerX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:43 pm

    I say only use it when it is required to be used

    Those requirements are:

    If you are playing a Ninja/Oriental Warrior.

    If you are an Archer build ( its literally demanded if you are pure Archer)



    If you want the Top tier Dodgeing mechanic. Thought in my opinion it is more of an annoyance; my builds rarely have a lot of trouble with it.

    Side Note: Only reason its considered op other then the Dodge has more invulnerability frames; Is also because it lowers your weight to 25% Thus you get the movement speed,Dodge attack speed, and Energy-gain of a 25%er opposed to a 50%er.

    They should change it to only giving you the invulnerability frames and nothing else.
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:09 pm

    I get what you're saying forum, and i honestly think you agree with me in a sense. You just like to argue and debate big grin which is cool, cause obviously i kinda do too. I think we would all prefer if the flipping just wasnt in the game. At this point i would be happy if they just had it so you had to be at or under 25% in order to get the flipping animation and anything over that(remaining at or under 50%) would have the fast roll animation. It would basically be a slight variation of havels. That would be fine i guess, and it really wouldnt effect anyones build. I would like to see it nerfed further then that, but it probably wont be adjusted at all. Can we all agree at least that the flipping just looks ridiculous, especially with a fully armored character. It takes a lot of the atmosphere out of the game.
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:13 pm

    I just think the DWGR should not be useable by anyone above a certain equip weight like 30-35 or if you wear heavy armour. That way would let you have a happy medium of having an amazing roll with medium poise, but reduce the OPness of the tanks with high health, high defence, high poise and best mobility.

    I think really Forum is just showing that without the DWGR, all that would happen is another ring or armour combo becomes the next overused crutch equipment. There will always be one as balancing everything to perfection is both impossible and would make the game pretty boring.

    I don't mind the DWGR being here, but if it wasn't maybe we'd see more different builds i dunno. I just think that even with the DWGR gone, there's still stuff like hornets ring, BKGA, MLGS, the screwed up BS mechanic that still gets overused. It's the player's fault for the hating upon the item, not FROMs.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:27 pm

    I agree, if Fromsoft was really smart they would allow you to search for fights with opponents without those items. Similar to how other multiplayer pvp works in other games. It would take away from that whole awesome atmosphere of summoning people ext, but this would only be in the "arena" so i think they could come up with a clever way to do this. That would make me so *** happy silly
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:30 pm

    Score 1 for serious. There is always a "best" gear or skill set, demanding it be nerfed doesn't change anything.

    Look at the constant tweaks done to mmos to see what I mean.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Carphil on Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:10 am

    Serious_Much wrote:
    ICEFANG wrote:Perhaps a poll could give you more accurate data, something more tangible.

    Reaperfan did some a long time ago, pretty much everyone uses it and also hates it according to that.

    I'm sure noone thinks it's unhonourable lol, but it's definitely not the most fondly looked upon piece of equipment in the game.

    Yea most people were like this:

    "I hate this ring"

    and the poll was: "Do you use DWGR?"

    Yes(37)
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by T-King-667 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:04 am

    Im gonna add fuel to the dwgr (bieber ring) fire. This is what the dwgr is to me in a setence "Press o (B) to temperarly become invincible" So many people abuse the stupid i-frame its rediculous, they wait for me to attack then they flip straight through it like a ghost then backstab, holy hell i hate the damn ring, and no i dont use it, i mid roll fo life >:/
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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by DamageCK on Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:26 am

    T-King-667 wrote:Im gonna add fuel to the dwgr (bieber ring) fire. This is what the dwgr is to me in a setence "Press o (B) to temperarly become invincible" So many people abuse the stupid i-frame its rediculous, they wait for me to attack then they flip straight through it like a ghost then backstab, holy hell i hate the damn ring, and no i dont use it, i mid roll fo life >:/

    What is a dodge mechanic for if not dodging...?


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:31 am

    Yep. Fighting unlocked significantly reduces the frequency of roll bs's. The mid roll has iframes as well man.


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    Re: Dark Wood Grain Ring for PvP

    Post by T-King-667 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:06 am

    DamageCK wrote:
    T-King-667 wrote:Im gonna add fuel to the dwgr (bieber ring) fire. This is what the dwgr is to me in a setence "Press o (B) to temperarly become invincible" So many people abuse the stupid i-frame its rediculous, they wait for me to attack then they flip straight through it like a ghost then backstab, holy hell i hate the damn ring, and no i dont use it, i mid roll fo life >:/

    What is a dodge mechanic for if not dodging...?
    yeah dodging is to dodge, to avoid attacks not flipping into them knowing the ring will just breeze you through it, i mean hell people sometimes even go straight at wogs with it because they gotten used to the timing of when the iframe occurs. If people are going as far as flipping straight into wog's at perfect timing every time then im sure its being abused jussst a bit, try rolling into wogs with any roll. As of what im seeing alot recently the ring is being used as a press o for a temp invici mode, as if the tank armour wasent enough.

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