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    Poise system is bull crap

    Post by sean1230 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:44 pm

    I have a mixed matched armor on and my poise is 103 and in pvp I'm still getting stunlocked....the makers of the game messed up when it comes to the stunlock....It would be such a better game without it....anyway is there a way to roll out of the second hit or are u screwed no matter what you do?
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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by DoughGuy on Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:09 pm

    Its takes 53 poise to escapethe 1st hit from a greatsword class weapon, 76 from an ultra greatsword class weapon. 103 poise will save you from 1 hit but the second one is going to stunlock you. You need to get out before the second hit. You can attempt to toggle escape (not entirely sure how you do that) but the best thing is to avoid that second hit unless you are sure you can stunlock/kill them frst.


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    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:23 pm

    LOL, if your poise were 106 you would be able to resist 2 hits of claymore.


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by sean1230 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:26 pm

    It was 103 and I had my stats up on the screen when I wrote the post and not only did I get stunlocked but I got stunlocked the first swing.....and also does anyone know how to avoid a double backstabbing?


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:33 pm

    Heres a short answer to both your questions.1. Your poise is similar to your status bars(like poison) if someone hits you a few times it drains your poise, so if they hit you soon enough after that they can stunlock you. To cancel a stunlock you switch your weapon/shield right as you are being hit, it takes practice to get the timing. 2. To avoid chain bs, you can either just try to roll twards or away from them try to pick the least obvious direction. Or you can just not press ANYTHING and they cant chain bs you, but it only last about half a second and they can still obviously land a normal hit.

    Edit: a you tuber made a lot of helpful videos for people new to pvp, heres one of his vids that contains more detailed info on what you asked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVdvduhI6E i suggest watching all of his videos, he details pretty much the need to know basics of pvp.
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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by RANT on Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:45 pm

    Look up YouTube videos about how to toggle out and try to learn how to dodge.


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by Rynn on Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:40 pm

    sean1230 wrote:It was 103 and I had my stats up on the screen when I wrote the post and not only did I get stunlocked but I got stunlocked the first swing.....and also does anyone know how to avoid a double backstabbing?
    Are you on X-box? Some players use glitched weapons with abnormally high stunlock (got stunned with 152 poise by a Quealagg Furysword on the first hit before.)
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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by sean1230 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:04 pm

    Yeah xbox....


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:35 pm

    damn, thats really lame. Is every game on 360 able to be exploited like that?
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:51 pm

    A great deal. Many of the bigger multiplayer games have "police" that play and/or watch and ban offenders they catch


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by Rynn on Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:17 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:A great deal. Many of the bigger multiplayer games have "police" that play and/or watch and ban offenders they catch
    This.
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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by Buggy Virus on Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:59 am

    Just think of hackers as final bosses.


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by RandelOolacile on Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:14 am

    I never understood the motivating factor behind hacking and game-breaking glitches. You're not really winning any more than you're just wasting time. This can't possibly feel rewarding!


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by Owl on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:19 am

    I love the poise system. It's just one more aspect of the game that adds flavor and excitement to how you're going to approach PvP. And I say that as a predominantly mage player that often has relatively little poise.

    You may have issues with how the poise system works, but I would hesitate to make a sweeping generalization like "it's bull crap" because the alternative is a PvP metagame that allows naked players walking around and attacking with daggers while being hit with a greatsword.


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by sean1230 on Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:20 pm

    Yah but if you make a system likethe poise one you need to make sureit cant be exploited


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    Post by TheBigLebowski on Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:23 pm

    Owl wrote:I love the poise system. It's just one more aspect of the game that adds flavor and excitement to how you're going to approach PvP. And I say that as a predominantly mage player that often has relatively little poise.

    You may have issues with how the poise system works, but I would hesitate to make a sweeping generalization like "it's bull crap" because the alternative is a PvP metagame that allows naked players walking around and attacking with daggers while being hit with a greatsword.

    Yes and do no forget the full armored high poise dudes flipping around with the grain ring big grin
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    Post by RandelOolacile on Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:25 pm

    In this case I don't think it was a failing of the poise mechanic. Your opponent was hacking which could nullify any effort for fair competition. =/


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    Post by CaptanSpudsy on Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:54 pm

    MudoRH wrote:I never understood the motivating factor behind hacking and game-breaking glitches. You're not really winning any more than you're just wasting time. This can't possibly feel rewarding!

    It's rewarding for the people who kill them.


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:23 pm

    even on ps3 we get people who glitch their zweihanders to move as fast as a long sword... but in demons souls there was no poise... which resulted in things like the katana push lock exploit that could almost never be escaped.... i still think that huge weapons should knock you on your @$$ instead of just stunning you, its more fitting in a physics sense and it prevents a lot of the stunlock issue...


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:54 pm

    Toggle out. Works in dks as well, it was never difficult to break a stun lock.


    While I'm at it, every system has exploits if hacking is involved.


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    Re: Poise system is bull crap

    Post by Chrysalis tCQ on Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:06 am

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:Heres a short answer to both your questions.1. Your poise is similar to your status bars(like poison) if someone hits you a few times it drains your poise, so if they hit you soon enough after that they can stunlock you. To cancel a stunlock you switch your weapon/shield right as you are being hit, it takes practice to get the timing. 2. To avoid chain bs, you can either just try to roll twards or away from them try to pick the least obvious direction. Or you can just not press ANYTHING and they cant chain bs you, but it only last about half a second and they can still obviously land a normal hit.

    Edit: a you tuber made a lot of helpful videos for people new to pvp, heres one of his vids that contains more detailed info on what you asked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVdvduhI6E i suggest watching all of his videos, he details pretty much the need to know basics of pvp.

    oh, nice. I was looking for something like this a day or two ago. Unfortunately the only vids I found were "spam TWOP and WOG" videos


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    Post by StockpileThomas on Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:49 pm

    sean1230 wrote:Yeah xbox....

    Case closed.
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    Post by GkMrBane on Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:19 pm

    I run into hackers all the time what I did was make it my mission to annoy the $hit out of them for as long as possilble aka fog ring + dragon slayer bow + dark armor = trolling the enemy.


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    Post by Tolvo on Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:20 pm

    I'm actually sort of alright with the fact that such high poise is needed to tank a hit from such weapons, in fact for certain ones I think there should be no armor combo that could take the hit such as the case with UGS. But, I'm just thinking way to realistically, at the same time I think that if a real person was to get hit with a Greatsword anyway, there is something wrong with them. I do wish a lot of the weapons swung slower, and a lot of other ones were faster. It always seemed interesting to have faster lighter weapons designed towards PvP, and bigger slower weapons towards PvE. But Strength builds would probably be pretty annoyed about that. In either case, toggle escape is your friend. Toggle your right or left hand item right when you are hit, or as fast after as possible.

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    Post by Rin on Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:09 pm

    an idea can the dragon form bow glitch be used to kill hackers they just mod their hp to be high right? :|


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