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    Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by FinPeku on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:36 pm

    One of my favourite covenants, sunbros seem to have very bad reputation nowadays. I've always wanted to see them as the perfect co-op covenant. The ultimate honor dudes. Because of that bad reputation, I've been wanting to do a "perfect" co-op build for a while now. A build which would not cheat people out of the boss fights (no op gear) and would not speedrun the areas for souls but which would be as devoted as a golden phantom can be. You know, always charging the invader first, always healing himself instead of relying on hosts flasks, always sacrificing himself for the host if necessary.

    Things i want:

    - Cool looks. This is a must. I'm more than willing to sacrifice efficiency for looks
    - Soul level for co-oping NG Anor Londo, Painted World and lord areas. 60 maybe? People who are at NG+ are already familiar with the game. I want to help those who may not be.
    - It will be a faith build, but i won't use offensive miracles. Faith will be for healing spells and possibly Force
    - Fast roll. No ninja flipping.
    - No pyromancies except power within.

    This is what i've been thinking: http://tinyurl.com/78lpv9s I'm very happy with the looks and the "feel" this build has.

    What do you think?


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:39 pm

    http://soulswiki.forumsrpg.com/t7263-the-noble-knights Join us. All the cool looking armour you could want, all the honourly co-op you could dream of us. Become a knight today!


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by FinPeku on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:07 pm

    I actually thought about noble knights when writing this happy But as long as i'm the leader of AoV, i won't join. Maybe in the future.


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:08 pm

    I'll be waiting for the day.

    The build looks fine, although the sword may be hard to get the super boss with as you'll have ot get really close and that can get you dead. But I know you've done vit 8 builds before so Im sure you can handle it.


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by FinPeku on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:17 pm

    Thanks big grin To be honest, i'm really not that concerned about dying with 1200hp. I chose pgs only because of the cool moveset and low weight but i'll consider something else. The range is an issue, no doubt about that...


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    Post by FinPeku on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:24 pm

    That's a cool one too. I like it that there's no helmet. And the sunlight sword! I really want to use sanctus though. Hmm... I might do some kind of mix between that and mine. Thanks for the suggestions!


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:36 pm

    You should consider joining the knights, one of the more relaxed covs I must say happy

    On a side note, here's a few armour ideas I threw together in about 30 secs each, dunno how they will look or how good they will be (Don't think they'll look very good, but dunno till you try), but you'll definitely be different (the last one is just for jokes) winking

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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by RANT on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:42 pm

    east west shield is the starting shield of the cleric so it fits with the build and what i think youre trying to do.


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by FinPeku on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:32 pm

    @Serious. None of those fast roll... I want to be able to dodge well. Helps with S & O lightning butt slam and against invaders of course.

    @Rant. Yes, east-west shield fits the build, but i just like the looks of sanctus big grin


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by Carphil on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:37 pm

    FinPeku wrote:@Serious. None of those fast roll... I want to be able to dodge well. Helps with S & O lightning butt slam and against invaders of course.

    But, you can dodge well with medium roll. I bet you never tried in PVP? please consider because its really worth it!


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:49 pm

    I wonder how many times you'll get summoned to gank?

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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:13 am

    Carphil wrote:But, you can dodge well with medium roll. I bet you never tried in PVP? please consider because its really worth it!
    Yes, i believe it can be viable. But i do think that fast rolling is still much better when getting out of the way of S & O buttslam or four kings AoE explosion, or gwyns grab attack etc. And in addition of getting more armor or heavier weapons, i don't know what would the benefit of medium rolling be.

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:I wonder how many times you'll get summoned to gank?
    Haha big grin I think it depends on area. But luckily i have my black separation crystal winking


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    Post by Serious_Much on Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:17 am

    Fin, if it's a coop character at SL60 and you're faith, you really don't need fast roll. A skilled player like yourself I'm sure can survive on 5 casts of heal right? Even with Med roll you can avoid damage most of the time in PvE, it's only really in PvP where fast roll or flip is needed due to lag. (in my opinion at least)

    But you know if you wanna rock around in full light armour be my guest silly

    In response to your question to car, the answer is that it allows you more armour combinations. The med roll sacrifice (not really important in PvE) allows you to get that image you want better. You wanted a sunbro that looks cool, and frankly he'll look cooler and stronger as a sunbro with a bit of varied armour on him rather than just cloth.


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:33 am

    Midroll is great. http://tinyurl.com/8x9h4bg
    Especially with the range of the halberd. Not much of a need for a fast roll in PvE.
    The Sunlight Shield is nice since it has a better stability, making it liable for more blocking on S&O.

    Whatdya think?


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by DoughGuy on Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:56 am

    Eagle Shield works REALLY well for O&S.


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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:02 am

    Looks like you all really want me to try midrolling lol Well alright, i'll try it.

    JoeBroski09 wrote:Midroll is great.
    Especially with the range of the halberd. Not much of a need for a fast roll in PvE.
    The Sunlight Shield is nice since it has a better stability, making it liable for more blocking on S&O.

    Whatdya think?
    Halberd would be a cool weapon choice. I rarely see them used. The damage with power within must be amazing. big grin

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    Re: Build to restore the honor of sunbros

    Post by RANT on Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:11 am

    the halberds are so powerful with a 40/40 build i recently started using it and the hit hard, when i two hand my garg hal i hit for 500 damage.


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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:47 am

    That's more for a 120 pvp build. But yeah, they're nice! High base damage, and an OK scaling makes them on par with a lot of scaling weapons. Most people really don't know that. Add the range, and heck, they're a hard hitting spear!


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    Post by RANT on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:56 am

    i decided to make a warrior build cause i really wanted to try to halberds but i HATE elemental weapon so i made a warrior and i was very surprised and pleased with the damage output of them, specially the garg hal and reg hal, love those two, i can riposte for 1k with no hr.


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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:57 am

    Normal halberd has better scaling, so I'd guess that it has a higher AR. The only difference is the R1.


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    Post by RANT on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:04 pm

    with 28str/40dex two handed the garg has 519 ar and the hal has 522. the r1 of the garg hal has more reach though from what ive seen. its really up to which one you like and feel more comfortable with, they both hit REALLY hard though.


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    Post by VinheimProfessor on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:11 pm

    Sunbrothers have a bad reputation?

    I personally think the Princess Guard are the most noble; they are basically sacrificing 'cool' offensive Miracles for more utilitarian effects. Full disclosure: All of my characters tend to end up in the Princess Guard by NG+. tongue
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    Post by Doelker on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:29 pm

    Well I've been a Sunbro For the last couple of months in my latest toons. I love the idea of being a helping hand and stuff like that.
    The problem is people that are in the covenant that let their summons down in orther to gank up on invaders.
    Last week I was cooping in anor londo, I got summoned and I see that it is dark anor londo. So I said, ok lets see what is going on. I started to run to dolin's fog gate, but the host never followed me then I realized that he was just waiting for invaders. I confirmed it when he used the dried finger.
    I just waved and BC out.
    I won't do that. There is no honor on ganking.
    Unfortunately, there are a lot of sunbros in the forest, kiln and anor londp who thinks otherwise and love the ganking style.
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