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    New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by jjefferson1 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:37 pm

    Hey everyone,

    I'm looking to start up a new char, and I want to play a melee (str or dex). I have played as a mage, but I want this toon to be more melee. (no Magic or Faith). Any ideas would help out. I would like to be a nimble toon either way.

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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:39 pm

    There're so many options available that it's almost impossible to begin a discussion. Giving us a target ending SL would help get us started.

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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by jjefferson1 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:47 pm

    was thinking about 100.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:58 pm

    You have 2 options. Make a pure Dex or Str build, or a Str/Dex hybrid.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by jjefferson1 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:23 pm

    this would be mainly for PVE combat, I'm not sure of what weapons i would want to use, but was thinking 2 handers with light type armour.
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    going a dex and using a bow, but im not sure if it is a good idea in the long run.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:55 pm

    For heavy weapons you'll want poise, because their slow swings can be interrupted if you are stunned.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by isthefridge on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:16 pm

    What specific weapons are you going for? Narrowing your goal around a weapon is a good way of making a good focused build.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by jjefferson1 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:26 pm

    I see, well im not sure the type of weapons... to be honest. since i have only worked on a Mage class and that was back when the game first came out. I'm coming back to the game after some time off. So im not sure the type of weapons and gear i should go for. I might just have to sit down and learn the game over again. lol. I have looked of some builds from wiki, but im going to have to look up where to get gear and how to upgrade it. There is so much to learn in this game.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by isthefridge on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:34 pm

    You can one hand a Zwei. you can two hand pyro hahaha.
    I would choose a claymore and or Bastard and make a 40/40 or in your case in would prolly be lower since your goin for SL 100 cap

    Theres a higher variety of weapons that scale better under dex then str so while the possibilties arent endless with a 100 cap putting your dex at 40 with 40 vit atleast 16 str. That would make a versitile melee toon. Reason i say 16 str is so you can still use the claymore. Making it a +5 lightning or flame or chaos give you alot of hitting power for PVE. This is how i did my high dex.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by About8547Souls on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:39 pm

    The Bow is a great choice when the enemy is far away, or they are dangerous to engage in close combat. (Such as the Silver Knights with Greatbows at Anor Londo. They are easy enough to kill if you time rolls and everything correctly, but it's still dangerous.)

    But as a primary damaging weapon it isn't very viable in a lot of situations. (Don't take that to mean you couldn't use it as a main damaging weapon. It's just in my personal opinion not as effective as a sword/spear/etc. would be.)

    That said, if you use a bow keep it in reserve for situations where you can make the most use out of it.

    Now, you mentioned 2-handing weapons so I'll assume you plan to use larger weapons. If you are thinking of a build with Strength as the primary stat, you would want to use any of the Greatswords or Ultra Greatswords. Which one you use should be entirely up to you, as with the correct playstyle any of them can be effective in PvE.

    You could also perhaps try out some of the Axe weapons, as I know personally that the Black Knight Great Axe wreaks havoc in PvE. The damage and large area of the 1-handed R1 attack is catastrophic on everything. It clears groups and single mobs with no effort whatsoever.

    Of course if you venture into PvP that weapon shouldn't be overlooked or laughed at either. It is useful in any situation if used right. And to be honest, that goes for every weapon. It's all about using them right.

    Now, let's say you choose Dexterity. That is when you will want to try out Curved Greatswords, assuming you stick with the 2-handing theory. They will do massive damage, and the Murakumo has a nice moveset in my opinion. If you decide to use smaller weapons, don't overlook Spears, Rapiers, the Baldur Side Sword, or Katana weapons. They are all powerful and learning how to use them effectively will make you a threat to any invader that comes to you.

    And you said you wanted a nimble toon, so you'll want to put a nice bit of Endurance in there. 40 is the standard, but you could probably make due with at least 30 depending on what shield, rings, helmets you wear. You can also eat Green Blossoms as I'm sure you know.

    And I'm going to say something I might catch a little flak for, but if you want to maximize your nimble-ness you'll want to equip the Dark Wood Grain Ring. It is definitely an incredible ring, and it will make you ninja flip and run at maximum speed no matter what, unless you just wear obscenely heavy armor.

    That's about it I guess, oh and if you are going to be nimble try out the Grass Crest Shield, Cloranthy Ring, Mask of the Child. Yes the Mask is hideous, but they are effective when combined with one another. (You only need 1 of those three for acceptable Stam regeneration, and 2 of them will mean you won't ever run out of stamina unless you just play hyper-aggressive and flip around meaninglessly.

    And one final thing, you can try out the Great Scythe as well. I know from personal experience at getting hit by it that it does tons of damage. A hit from that took off a little over half of my health in one blow once in PvP. I personally don't like the fighting style with it, but I can't deny that it has great reach and does tons of damage.

    To wrap this all up finally: Try out different weapons, find out which ones you like the fighting style and movesets of. Practice with them and get better using those weapons, learn how to use them at the right moments to maximize their effectiveness. Try to find a set of armor with good poise, or mix and match pieces of armor. Try to get the best defense and poise you can without breaking the 50 percent of weight marker with the Dark Wood Grain Ring.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by jjefferson1 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:27 pm

    Thank you for all this info... this helps out a ton. Also is it stardered to go for 40 end if i go for the 40dex/40vit build that isthefridge talked about? I'm thinking i would like to go with a Dex build. Using a bow for ranged and weapon and shields up close (or bigger weapons).


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by About8547Souls on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:35 pm

    Most people go 40 Endurance because at 40 Endurance your stamina caps out. It will not increase any beyond that point without the help of the Faith and Protection ring or perhaps something else that I am overlooking at the moment.

    The only thing Endurance increases beyond 40 is the amount of weight you can carry.

    So if you want maximum Stamina, yes you should go 40 Endurance. But that does not mean you have to do so. Without using attunement, intelligence, faith, resistance, etc. You will have a lot of spare points potentially, so it shouldn't be hard to find a good mix of Vit and End.

    Those two can be considered a trade-off issue. Either you have more health, or more stamina. (Assuming you can't get them both to 40 while getting 40 Dex and enough Str to use any weapons you plan to use.)

    A lot of stat distribution comes down to personal preference in the event of not being able to set them all at a square amount.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by isthefridge on Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:31 pm

    What Souls said^ knowing what you'll be using will help reduce wasted level points.


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:56 pm

    You don't need 40 DEX if you're going to use a lightning Clay and a lightning Black Bow. Also, the Composite Bow is generally better for PvP (I love the Black Bow as well, but it's kind of slow) because of the higher base damage, especially if you are going to make it lightning and remove all scaling.

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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by jjefferson1 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:30 pm

    o i c, learned something new. so adding lighting, flame, ext will remove the scaling from the weapon. so lets say dont add the lighting, what would be the best upgrades to go with normal or raw??


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:39 pm

    I would never go Raw. But that's just me, though I think you'll find most people would tell you to go with Normal.

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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:21 pm

    Here you go, a pure Dex build. You can use many Dex weapons with those stats, including bows. Be sure to always go normal or crystal upgrades.

    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=3403361612849782


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    Re: New build ideas (Str or Dex)

    Post by jjefferson1 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:44 pm

    Thanks for all the ideas. i think i know what i want to do, but i will try somethings out and see what happens.


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