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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by Carphil on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:29 pm

    JoeBroski09 wrote:
    Hmm. That is possible. The question still remains..

    Why a cursed weapon? sad

    Just saying that you could read his posts to find out, but humans do love to live full of questions don't they silly


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:29 pm

    How the heck would I find my answer in that big tangle of theories?


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by cloudyeki on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:39 pm

    JoeBroski09 wrote:
    Hmm. That is possible. The question still remains..

    Why a cursed weapon? sad

    Because some time in his life, after being a knight and hunting the dark wraiths, he became cursed himself.

    From the Purging stone:
    Humans are helpless against curses, and can only redirect their influence.
    The Purging Stone does not dispel curses, but receives them as a surrogate. The stone itself was once a person or some other being.


    What most people think of his cursed blade is that he intentionally got cursed to fight them.

    From the Cursed GSoA:
    "The sword can damage ghosts, as it was cursed when Artorias joined a covenant with the creatures of the Abyss."

    Never is it stated that he intentionally hunted the ghosts, like how the divine says he hunted wraiths.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by Scirvir on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:43 pm

    "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Nietzsche

    Feels fitting.
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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:45 pm

    Someone pointed out that the ring only says that the wearer can walk the abyss like artorias could. Implying he didnt need the ring.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:47 pm

    Beatrice doesn't need the ring. I don't know when or who came up with the idea, but the ring isn't needed to walk the abyss. You as the character need it until you make the covenant with Kaathe. Anyone try to drop down in the abyss in the DW covenant w/o the ring? Then drop down without the ring after killing the 4 kings?


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by Carphil on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:48 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:Someone pointed out that the ring only says that the wearer can walk the abyss like artorias could. Implying he didnt need the ring.

    Like Beatrice, or yourself after speaking to Kaathe


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:49 pm

    yes you know, after the 4 kings are killed, kings who existed while artorias was walking it. Same for beatrice. And you dont need to be in the cov to walk it without the ring.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:52 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:yes you know, after the 4 kings are killed, kings who existed while artorias was walking it.
    wat


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by Carphil on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:54 pm

    JoeBroski09 wrote:
    DoughGuy wrote:yes you know, after the 4 kings are killed, kings who existed while artorias was walking it.
    wat

    I believe he meant that anyone can walk in the abyss after the four kings are killed.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:54 pm

    Ahh. Thanks.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by About8547Souls on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:56 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:smoughs a FAILED knight, so... the 4 knights are as follows Ciaran (assasin, hornet rings owner), Ornstein(Lancer, owner of the leo ring ) Gough(Archer, owner of the hawk ring) Artorias(Heavy knight, owner of the wolf ring)

    He wasn't so much a failure as he was too vulgar/brutal. It says that he ground up the bones of his victims into his own feed, and that is what ruined his hopes of joining the four knights of Gwyn. Just an honor-type thing I'm guessing. I wouldn't want someone like him representing me either lol.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:57 pm

    Carphil wrote:
    JoeBroski09 wrote:
    DoughGuy wrote:yes you know, after the 4 kings are killed, kings who existed while artorias was walking it.
    wat

    I believe he meant that anyone can walk in the abyss after the four kings are killed.
    Yes. And the kings existed back when Artorias and Beatrice were walking the abyss.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by skarekrow13 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:26 pm

    My only constant theory has been that Artorias made the covenant to continue his perceived quest. Gwyn changed and he didn't so therefore he did betray Gwyn, but not himself. With all the new teaser stuff though it really seems like they're hinting Artorias did go "evil." I haven't speculated much on his potential role as a knight though so it's hard for me to say if his ambitions changed or not.

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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:28 pm

    ^This man on the Satellite of Love is a person I agree with.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by RandelOolacile on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:36 am

    Has anyone brought up that sif, like artorias goes limp from his left appendage? Could this point to something?


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:37 am

    Whoah. New revelation right there.

    Another point towards the theory that Sif is Artorias.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by RandelOolacile on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:04 am

    Yeah, I've always felt that sif is artorias! I did find it interesting that sif uses the white version of the sword, moreso now that we have footage of artorias, albeit a dark form. Now, I hate to play devils advocate here, I've been reading through this thread and saw all the back and forth on the allegiances artorias may have. Could it be that artorias was cursed in his attempt to destroy the kings? He obviously failed in their destruction cause were forced to fight and destroy them! Maybe once he perished his soul took the form of his kindred animal, the wolf. What we may be seeing in the artorias story were about to play through is his final moments and we find that he was a perversion of what he was.

    I also wonder why alvina seems to protect him, trying to keep his grave secret, so much so that she was willing to create a whole covenant that hunts those entering, maybe to find the grave! And the forest is sealed by the seal of artorias.

    More questions than answers. =/


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:05 am

    skarekrow13 wrote:My only constant theory has been that Artorias made the covenant to continue his perceived quest. Gwyn changed and he didn't so therefore he did betray Gwyn, but not himself. With all the new teaser stuff though it really seems like they're hinting Artorias did go "evil." I haven't speculated much on his potential role as a knight though so it's hard for me to say if his ambitions changed or not.

    For all we know we could be wrongly assassinating a wounded man, Skare. After all, what we saw is Artorias plunging down on an enemy. Either to intimidate, or to protect himself from you teaming up on him.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by BishopHavel on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:19 am

    This is really interesting. Sif could indeed be Artorias in wolf form. Is there more proof to make this more believeable tough? I can't think of things that go against it..


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:20 am

    Uhh. I'll ask Dough. He knows a lot about this. I think it was him whom I saw type a bunch of stuff that disproves this theory.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:24 am

    There's an item that says Sif, Artorias and Alvina were friends thus proving Sif cant be Artorias. Ill find it.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:25 am

    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Cat+Covenant+Ring
    "Ring granted to those bound by the Forest Hunter covenant. Answer Alvina's summoning.

    The white cat Alvina speaks a humang tongue and has lived since the early Age of Fire.
    Alvina was a trusted friend of Knight Artorias and the Great Wolf Sif."


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by RandelOolacile on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:28 am

    Hmm, wasn't privy to that. I also notice that Sif has a glyph on his forehead. Wish I knew what that symbol was.


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    Re: Artorias and Gough

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:29 am

    Idk what it is either, but if I try to imagine it in my head, for some reason, it's the Legends of Zelda triforce symbol hahaha!

    That'd be awesome.


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