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    Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by seathtoldmeto8 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:46 pm

    I was playing my dex build which is pretty weak right now aside from vit and end and it took me awhile to kill each of the four kings, which allowed another to spawn right before I finished off the previous. The fourth king was giving me a bit more trouble and took awhile longer, maybe because I was getting less tense since I knew I was not on a time limit anymore. Then suddenly, that sound came up again and in the distance right behind the fourth king was a fifth king. Needless to say, I freaked the hell out and went all out against the fourth king before the fifth could join the fray and slaughter me. Anybody had this happen to them yet?
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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by DoughGuy on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:47 pm

    Up to 8 (ive heard, at least 7 can) kings can spawn, although only 4 can spawn on screen at once. Its due to the way their life total works.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by Pandamage22 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:54 pm

    Think of it this way. You aren't killing a king when they explode into shimmering light, you're wounding him, so he has to disappear and recuperate silly It's just a gameplay thing. I've had up to six kings.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:18 am

    Or, if your read the description of the Lord Shard of the Four Kings, you realize you only obtain one of the four shards.

    Judging at how the magic is similar to that of pinwheel in terms of dark magic, it would not be a far stretch to say that the four kings is just one.
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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by Pandamage22 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:41 am

    Ah, I've never thought of that. Very clever theory. It would after all, explain why they look identical.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by seathtoldmeto8 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:17 am

    Damn...so basically I'm on a time limit throughout the ENTIRE fight? That sucks man
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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by Eolan on Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:14 am

    Wait wait wait wait... "One" of the "four" shards, are you saying the description is implying theres one shard? Or four shards and we only get one? In a lore sense that doesnt work because we need to return the souls to the vessel to open the kiln, but if theres still 3 shards unaccounted for were talking multiple play throughs... pendantzzzz...zzzz

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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:02 am

    Unless the being who is the Four Kings took the other three shards and added to his soul. Or, perhaps the Four Kings that is a creature of the Abyss was a king specifically chosen to carry the Shard to lead the rest.
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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:05 am

    But they were 4 kings before they fell. And Im pretty sure Gwyn gave them the soul before they fell. So eh would have had to give 4 soul shards. Im saying this cause I dont completely understand you acidic :oops:


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:27 am

    could have been one king and he absorbed 3 fragments of the soul to duplicate himself thrice. that would explain why there are 4 kings and with the soul power, it would return back to him after the other kings have died so he could be remaking them over the course of the fight - idk xD


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:42 am

    One king could have fallen to the dark, and hunted down the other three. The King's were not the first to be in the abyss, nor does any hint say that they were there when Artorias went down. They say that he met Dark Beasts... Beasts I am sure we only see twice until the Dark Lord ending.

    The Four Kings seem to follow the same form as ghosts, however they are more solid. As it is said that Artorias was cursed, and that the people in New Londo who were cursed became undead... Who is to say that the Four Kings are in a similar stance as the ghosts as well.

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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by seathtoldmeto8 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:43 pm

    Actually the kings were there before Artorias because it says somewhere (I can't for the life of me remember where right now) that Artorias formed a covenant with the creatures of the Abyss and became the fifth king in the process.

    And story wise, the description on the lord soul fragment says that even though it is only a fragment it is enough to satiate the lordvessel, I'm assuming that makes it irrelevant to collect the other three shards. With that in mind, Seathe's soul is also only a shard of a lord soul given to him by Gwyn, but it is enough for the lordvessel too
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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by befowler on Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:44 pm

    It works the other way too. Because of the shared life bar if you do enough damage fast enough (usually with some summons assisting) you can win by only killing 3 of them.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:46 pm

    seathtoldmeto8 wrote:Actually the kings were there before Artorias because it says somewhere (I can't for the life of me remember where right now) that Artorias formed a covenant with the creatures of the Abyss and became the fifth king in the process.

    And story wise, the description on the lord soul fragment says that even though it is only a fragment it is enough to satiate the lordvessel, I'm assuming that makes it irrelevant to collect the other three shards. With that in mind, Seathe's soul is also only a shard of a lord soul given to him by Gwyn, but it is enough for the lordvessel too

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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:52 pm

    I also would like to remind you, that there are also the Serpents who are more so beast than the Four Kings. The Four Kings are little bit ghostly and human, and not much beastly to them.

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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:37 pm

    Yes the beasts are likely the serpents of the abyss. We know the kings came before artorias fell because he hunted darkwraiths, and there werent darkwraiths until the kings fell because their knmights turned into darkwraiths.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:41 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:Yes the beasts are likely the serpents of the abyss. We know the kings came before artorias fell because he hunted darkwraiths, and there werent darkwraiths until the kings fell because their knmights turned into darkwraiths.

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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:51 pm

    I cant find it but ive read it before. Ill search a bit more.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:52 pm

    Found it.

    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Darkwraith
    Armor of the Darkwraiths, former knights of New Londo who descended
    into Dark. Their Armor transformed, and remains a symbol of the Dark
    servants and their diabolical art of Lifedrain.


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    The sword of the knights of the Four Kings of New Londo. Its blade is wide and thick and it is wielded in an unusual manner."
    "When the Four Kings were seduced by evil, their knights became Darkwraiths, servants of the Dark who wielded these darkswords."


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:58 pm

    You should remember that there are other Darkwraiths that never wore such armour or used such swords... Kirk is a good example.

    The Knights of the Four kings does not show them being the First to turn, just that these knights had transformed to the Dark after the Four Kings has been seduced by evil. They may be knights of the Four Kings, but they were possibly not the only Darkwraiths... nor does it state them to be the first.
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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:15 pm

    I find it unlikely there was a large enough group of darkwraiths before the 4 kings fell for artorias to hunt them. Especially considering Gwyn was in power and the 4 kings were good guys. I doubt there are many access points to the abyss in the world where people could talk to kaathe.
    Kirk's armour (if I remember rightly) has the same weight and poise of the DW armour making it likely his set simply mutated by the poewr of chaos or something when he swiutched sides.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:18 pm

    Then how would a being such as Kirk be a Darkwraith before hand, if he had not had access to Kaathe? A being without much use of jumping down to the abyss must of had some way to become one at some point. He may have turned into a chaos servant, however his armour notes him as being infamous for being a darkwraith.
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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:20 pm

    The 4 kinsg fell a long time (close to a 1000 years ago) ago. Plenty of time for kirk to find his way into the abyss through new londo once everyone else was dead. Also I never said it was impossible to join before the kings fell. I said it was unlikely they had a large enough following for one of gwyns4 demigod knights to bother paying attention to them. Sure there would have been a couple dozen but nothing significant.


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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:27 pm

    A Knight of Thorns would have to had drained the place in order to join the Darkwraiths, he joined afterwards. The place was flooded after the threat of the Darkwraiths, being flooded after Artorias' confrontation (likely, as the place was noted to being flooded once).

    And they may have had a a growth of Darkwraiths before Artorias came, it does not exactly have to start large. Things start slow at first. As the Darkwraiths started at New Londo and originated in a tower of Velka/Child (statues on rood and front of fog)... the beast perhaps had a chance influencing others. May I remind you that the tower has a large enough gap for the creature to swirl around upwards... as well as a broken roof.

    And the best strategy is to always remove a potential threat before it actually becomes one. Seeing as how Artorias is one of intelligence, it isn't hard seeing him seeing such an idea. It is interesting of his philosophy of faith and intelligence is similar to Velka's ideals of his users being faifthful and intelligent, and that the abyss is accessed only from the tower of hers. That, and the knight of the wolf seems to have a dark sense to him... an aspect usually seen from the Goddess of Sin. How he ever was able to access the abyss, I wonder, is probably the same way Witch Beatrice had done so as well.

    The Covenant of Artorias is probably not necessary for travel at all, I reckon.

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    Re: Five Kings of New Londo?

    Post by seathtoldmeto8 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:44 pm

    Or...it could be as simple as Kirk being a more highly ranked knight of the four kings. Remember Gwyn himself has an army of knights with him but also four generals who were greater than his knights. It could be as simple as Kirk being a general to the four kings instead of a simple knight. And yes, Kirk's armor has the same stats as the DW armor but very slightly heavier due to the addition of the thorns

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