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    Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by DissidentCitizen on Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:46 am

    Long-time lurker. I've read through several topics but I don't know that I've seen this addressed fully:

    What exactly is Gwyn doing in the Kiln? Why did he stay there? Why is he hollow now? And just why, exactly, do we have to kill him and re-link the fire if he's already maintaining it? To remove the Curse of the Dark Sign?

    If this HAS been debated in depth, please send me in the right direction and I'll delete this thread to save some room.

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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:40 pm

    Idk where it has been talked about in depth specifically, but its been discussed here and there. Here's an abridged version of all ive read.

    He is in the kiln because he linked the flame, offering all his humanity to light the kiln, extending the age of fire. Pretty much an act of desperation. He became the lord of cinder, instead of the lord of the sun. Because he became a shell of his previous self. I cant imagine how cruel FROM would have had to be to send us against his former self. Man, he'd be one powerful dude. He pretty much attacks any undead, because they are his enemy. All of them. Because he has no idea his son has been tricking the chosen undead to link the flame. He doeant know his former companion may have tricked the chosen undead to link the flame. He couldnt know. Because if this, we dont know if he's sane or not. He could be completely sane. Who knows?

    He is not hollow. He is also not undead. He is not branded. He just gave all his humanity to link the flame. He does not use the fragments of the dark soul called humanity. The humanity we have and the humanity humans have are different. Think of the undead kind of as a machine, and because of this, we eat oil. The humanity sprites. the humans eat actual food. Real humanity. That they simply have from experience, battle, and life. It measures rhe power of the human. Though, Gwyn is a god, this just shows that he has a LOT of real humanity. He gave it all in order to keep the fires lit.

    I think ive answered your questions. Hard to see on my phone. Ask any more if you have any XD



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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:35 pm

    Quick version, fire started and dragons ended. Fire starts to go out, gods see bad things coming. Hell breaks loose, Gwyn investigates and realizes fire needs fuel. Gwyn becomes fuel. Fire consumes most of new fuel and hell breaks loose again. We come and decide to be fuel and restart the cycle or let it die and see what happens

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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by DissidentCitizen on Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:53 pm

    That sucks for Gwyn. Does he have to stay there to maintain the flame, do you suppose?


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:35 pm

    Yeah. I think so. Hope he brought a good book

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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Shkar on Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:54 pm

    Personally, I think he is like the Bed of Chaos. Nothing but a shell filled with the primal rage of an eternal flame.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by DissidentCitizen on Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:04 pm

    Now there's a thought. Doesn't Fauxwynevere saw something similar?

    I find Gwyn to be a fascinating character: battle against chaos, sacrificing self to save the world only to have that sacrifice essentially be in vain.

    Tragic, really.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:36 pm

    Gwyn was a hero until the people decided they didnt want him anymore. He stays with the flame I believe, because unlike a true firekeeper its much harder for him to keep it lit,. SO he must remain at the flame, drawing humanity for it.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Federally on Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:24 am

    DissidentCitizen wrote:Now there's a thought. Doesn't Fauxwynevere saw something similar?

    I find Gwyn to be a fascinating character: battle against chaos, sacrificing self to save the world only to have that sacrifice essentially be in vain.

    Tragic, really.

    The game really is full of them.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:42 am

    I can't think of a single non-tragic character off the top of my head....let's give it a minute. Nope. Drawing a blank

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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Federally on Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:46 am

    skarekrow13 wrote:I can't think of a single non-tragic character off the top of my head....let's give it a minute. Nope. Drawing a blank

    Lautrec. Though he plays a big role in another tragic character's story.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:51 am

    He's a little tragic I think. Sure of the love from his goddess (which I doubt is accurate but he believes it) he abandons much of his humanity and sanity and quests for murder. In the end he finds cohorts but not friends or companions and is slain, short of his goal and alone

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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:54 am

    I believe Fina isn't the real God of Love, but the God of Lust. Twisted and corrupted.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by DissidentCitizen on Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:21 pm

    JoeBroski09 wrote:I believe Fina isn't the real God of Love, but the God of Lust. Twisted and corrupted.

    As indicated by the arms "twisted" around Lautrec's armor, perhaps?
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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:28 pm

    Perhaps. But, that's for another thread happy


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by nsane32 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:44 pm

    Gwyn sacrificed his Lord Souls(witch gave him his power) to light the the Flame scorching all of the kiln and destroyed Gwyn in the process with out his Souls he became nothing but a Guarding to the Flame attacking everything in sight to protect the flame. hope thats all the info you need


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Federally on Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:59 am

    JoeBroski09 wrote:I believe Fina isn't the real God of Love, but the God of Lust. Twisted and corrupted.

    Oh yeah I like my goddesses corrupted.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by BishopHavel on Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:57 pm

    The DLC is in the past, right? What if Gwynn is one of the bosses, but that he is still young and juicy. That would be awesome.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:02 pm

    He would just ohko us...


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:25 pm

    For the record, Gwyn in the cinematics throws Sunlight Spears, as fast as we use combustion. He can limitlessly use them. As well he would be faster, and stronger, and more adept and adaptable. Pretty much imagine fighting Zeus on steroids.

    By the way an interesting note some might not realize, Gwyn's chest plate is a Primordial Serpent, take a look at it. Note that as I mentioned in the Outside Sources thread, the serpents are related to Falak, and Al-Falaaq of the Qu'ran. This serpent is Satan in the Qu'ran and tempts Jesus to fall. There is a carving in the church where you find the Gargoyles and Berinike Knight. This carving depicts a Shepard, and old bearded man surrounded by animals, one a lion possibly another a wolf. He is tempting her with an apple, the holder of a child. The temptation by apple or fruit, something of satan tempting Eve in the Garden of Eden. This being always brought Gwyn to mind, a leader followed by animal charges, his knights. What could this mean? A whole lot of things with crazy leaps and bounds.
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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Shkar on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:01 am

    Tolvo wrote:For the record, Gwyn in the cinematics throws Sunlight Spears, as fast as we use combustion. He can limitlessly use them. As well he would be faster, and stronger, and more adept and adaptable. Pretty much imagine fighting Zeus on steroids.

    By the way an interesting note some might not realize, Gwyn's chest plate is a Primordial Serpent, take a look at it. Note that as I mentioned in the Outside Sources thread, the serpents are related to Falak, and Al-Falaaq of the Qu'ran. This serpent is Satan in the Qu'ran and tempts Jesus to fall. There is a carving in the church where you find the Gargoyles and Berinike Knight. This carving depicts a Shepard, and old bearded man surrounded by animals, one a lion possibly another a wolf. He is tempting her with an apple, the holder of a child. The temptation by apple or fruit, something of satan tempting Eve in the Garden of Eden. This being always brought Gwyn to mind, a leader followed by animal charges, his knights. What could this mean? A whole lot of things with crazy leaps and bounds.

    That's an interesting note, but as a bit of trivia there's actually a decent chance that the serpent in Genesis is NOT Satan. That's apparently a topic for a fair amount of debate.


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Tolvo on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:08 am

    Yeah that is another concept, the argument is more often that it is not lucifer because Satan and Lucifer are different entities despite modern belief.
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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Shkar on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:10 am

    Tolvo wrote:Yeah that is another concept, the argument is more often that it is not lucifer because Satan and Lucifer are different entities despite modern belief.

    Yeah, I'm by no means a religious nut. I get most of my knowledge on the religious "debates" and inaccuracies from cracked.com, so take what I say with a grain of salt happy


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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Tolvo on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:12 am

    I'm a theology nut for the record, not a religious one. silly

    There are many debates, but the thing is that any temptation in the bible is considered Satan. So the temptation of the serpent even if it isn't actually Satan, is acting as an avatar of Satan.
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    Re: Gwyn: What, Why, and How

    Post by Shkar on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:33 am

    Tolvo wrote:I'm a theology nut for the record, not a religious one. silly

    There are many debates, but the thing is that any temptation in the bible is considered Satan. So the temptation of the serpent even if it isn't actually Satan, is acting as an avatar of Satan.

    Yeah, I phrased that awfully, but even the phrasing I used describes me silly

    Good old bible, all the temptation is attributed to Satan and we don't even know what he looks like...


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