what is generally considered honorable in a duel. if i didnt agree to the fight before hand i'm doing whatever it takes to win, chain bs and wog spam included (I despise darkwraiths, i'm with darkmoon specificly to kill them). but if i'm waiting for a hunter in the forest, what rules should i be following? other than dont farm and ganking is bad, did the ds pvp so i know that much.

The things i don't agree with are the low-level griefers (finding fights that for the most part are so one-sided its pointless) and the farmers
if you're invaded while trying to get help/through a level by a DW/DM, by all means, do what you can to win, there have been more than one invader i left alone because all they did was try to get the mobs to help them kill me, i just skipped those groups of mobs
but if you're going for straight pvp, that's when i think it should be for more of an honor thing, bowing, etc
if you're the invader side of the pvp spectrum though, expect the hosts to be asses and plan accordingly
fyi, if you ever ran into me hosting in the forest when i was bored, you'll notice that if i do have a phantom with me, i won't help them, until another invader appears, then i'll go after the second, unless the second goes after my phantom, at that point they aren't going 1v1, so neither will i
kiln, if i summon phantoms, i'l going for a "+", not pvp

so i should play nice until they kick sand in my eyes. good to know. im new to 'formal' dueling, all my pvp has been with dws looking to pick on pvers, the type who invade the depths and spam wog, so my tactics have been... unscrupulous. really more desperate struggles to keep my hard fought progress than duels.

Every duel will be different, I usually stand from a far distance and bow as I see my opponent approaching if they charge me then I know it's an anything goes match and that means ANYTHING!!

With these types of duels I try to keep a safe distance cause the one thing these kind of fighters have in common is they always go for the quick OHK backstabs. They have no interest in skill or having a good fight.

If they do bow then I think it will normally be a good fight and they are more in it for the skill and the fun of the challenge. When they normally hit a Backstabs or WOG it's cause you were in position for it and not that they were fishing the entire fight for it.

Also Don't assume the every dark spirit is in the DW covenant, some maybe be using the cracked red eye orb just to invade. I used to invade using them but stopped cause I notice a lot of the people I invaded really had no skill or were just in a panic run..lol Most of the time when that happened I would drop a weapon for them or an item and then jump off a cliff..lol

kinda why i dont like invaders, the only invaders i've seen outside the forest and anor were vicious, so i've fought accordingly. being jumped with a greataxe while i'm trucking through the swamp without the ring for it (i didn't know it exsisted) isnt cool and the best way to be sure i'm not murdering similar noobs in pve gear is to fight in the dueling areas i didn't know were there untill like a week ago. as i dont want to risk being what i despise, i asked the rules for the dueling areas, where i will joyfully and honorably settle my pvp urges. and 1st bonfire room in depths. not a lot of room to manuver and i got 3 in a row. 1 guard break 2 half health 3 dead. not too much i could do. i was towards the back hoping to catch him with iato r2, he tanked it to cast. hate that place and its curse frogs.

Forum Pirate wrote:1st bonfire room in depths. not a lot of room to manuver and i got 3 in a row. 1 guard break 2 half health 3 dead. not too much i could do. i was towards the back hoping to catch him with iato r2, he tanked it to cast. hate that place and its curse frogs.

I have a lvl 30 toon that I use to battle invaders in the Depths. The first thing I do is run to the barrel room where you first free Laurentis and destroy all the barrles. I then clear my path to the 1st bon-fire the min I see the fire start to go out I haul *** back to the barrel room and wait for my invader to show up..This room is bigger and an gives you more room to maneuver better.

When the fight is over, rinse and repeat.lol

Err. just make sure laurentis is not in the room anymore,..lol

lol if anything darkwraith invaders are the honorable ones and forest invaders are not.

but in the forest i'm probably waiting for a fight anyways so it doesn't matter and when wraiths (or cracked orb) users invade i very likely have an hour or so of work on the line and death is a serious setback.

Forum Pirate wrote:but in the forest i'm probably waiting for a fight anyways so it doesn't matter and when wraiths (or cracked orb) users invade i very likely have an hour or so of work on the line and death is a serious setback.

i was comparing dark wraiths in pvp places like painted worlds and the Klin, vs forest hunters in the forest

Are you referring to "dueling"? Or invading? Unless you impose the idea of a duel on yourself, entering someones world, or being entered by an individual, is not a duel.

theAnimus wrote:Are you referring to "dueling"? Or invading? Unless you impose the idea of a duel on yourself, entering someones world, or being entered by an individual, is not a duel.

both, the way i see it, a duel (a fight both parties were looking for)has rules i wasn't sure of, while in an invasion (a fight the host didn't want) anything goes.

50/50 chance of either player winning

dependant on skill

no healing or running away and agrooing AI

no glitching

no lagstabing

No grieving




Honestly i ONLY find honorable and fair duels in high lvls

the only thing i see on lvl 120 pvp are

Elemental weapon users

Lagstabers

BKGA wielders

mages spamming magic which are easy to dodge but are laggy as hell making me get hit when the projectile is not even near me


fights where its not 50/50 chance of either one winning

if the guy is a mage and i am a meele fighter and i have medium armor (i.e medium movement) there is 75% he will win due to lag shots

thats just bull if you ask me

there should be a chance of everyone winning

AND THERE HAS TO BE VARIETY TO THE DAMN THING not everyone wielding BKGA or using magic

alright thats enough sorry for raging there

thats my rant on how honorable pvp should be

sometimes lagstabbing isn't done on purpose though, if i get lagstabbed after i swing and miss i accept it as a good BS on his part.

lag pivot BSs, if they don't kill me will always result in a pivot backstab of my own just to even it up.

why is pivot bs considered cheap? its not easy unless they suck and it hurts yeah but its not a glitche or exploit and if its a lagstab it was going to happen anyways

Forum Pirate wrote:why is pivot bs considered cheap? its not easy unless they suck and it hurts yeah but its not a glitche or exploit and if its a lagstab it was going to happen anyways

Honestly I'm not sure if I would consider it cheap..If it was a one shot thing, but if your whole tactic is to fish for pivot stab or any back stab ...then to me it's lame. Like I have stated in the past if i'm in a fair fight and I make a wrong move and get stabbed ..shame on me, but if I'm fighting someone and that is all hes' fishing for then I have no problem blasting him in the face with PYRO,WOTG or anything else that will punish him.. When fighting I have always tried to avoid hitting a backstab cause it's become a cheap tactic when abused.