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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:10 pm

    hahaha proof Solaire isnt the god of war? He is summonable. Why is this proof? It means Solaire doesnt actually exist in your world. He an undead from a separate world, therefore he cant be the god of war. Case closed.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Federally on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:51 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:hahaha proof Solaire isnt the god of war? He is summonable. Why is this proof? It means Solaire doesnt actually exist in your world. He's an undead from a separate world, therefore he cant be the God of War. Case closed.

    Fixed, and +1'd


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:53 pm

    Why did you say fixed! There was no correction, and now Im going crazy trying to find it!
    Wow Im a *** idiot. Just found it.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Federally on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:51 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:Why did you say fixed! There was no correction, and now Im going crazy trying to find it!
    Wow Im a *** idiot. Just found it.

    Lol you make me laugh dude


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:28 am

    DoughGuy wrote:hahaha proof Solaire isnt the god of war? He is summonable. Why is this proof? It means Solaire doesnt actually exist in your world. He an undead from a separate world, therefore he cant be the god of war. Case closed.

    Sorry Dough, but that proves nothing. In typical mythology, when a deity falls, they became as innately human as the next person affording them all the abilities and limitations of an individual. Just because he plays by the rules of the Undead and can be summoned the way we can, does not mean that he once played by a completely different set.

    Also the time flow in Lordran intimates as parallel worlds layered on top of another.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:13 am

    Emergence wrote:
    DoughGuy wrote:hahaha proof Solaire isnt the god of war? He is summonable. Why is this proof? It means Solaire doesnt actually exist in your world. He an undead from a separate world, therefore he cant be the god of war. Case closed.

    Sorry Dough, but that proves nothing. In typical mythology, when a deity falls, they became as innately human as the next person affording them all the abilities and limitations of an individual. Just because he plays by the rules of the Undead and can be summoned the way we can, does not mean that he once played by a completely different set.

    Also the time flow in Lordran intimates as parallel worlds layered on top of another.
    Emergence the point is that undead that live in other sworlds dont't exist in yours. So for Solaire to be summonable his world is not your world, ergo if he was the GoW the GoW would not exist in your world.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:50 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:
    Emergence wrote:
    DoughGuy wrote:hahaha proof Solaire isnt the god of war? He is summonable. Why is this proof? It means Solaire doesnt actually exist in your world. He an undead from a separate world, therefore he cant be the god of war. Case closed.

    Sorry Dough, but that proves nothing. In typical mythology, when a deity falls, they became as innately human as the next person affording them all the abilities and limitations of an individual. Just because he plays by the rules of the Undead and can be summoned the way we can, does not mean that he once played by a completely different set.

    Also the time flow in Lordran intimates as parallel worlds layered on top of another.
    Emergence the point is that undead that live in other sworlds dont't exist in yours. So for Solaire to be summonable his world is not your world, ergo if he was the GoW the GoW would not exist in your world.

    The fact that they don't exist in your world is simply not true, and is contradicted by other game instances as well. Solaire's statements about the distortion of time support this as well, hinting that what is being brought together when you summon is actually the past and present, and not other worlds per se. These individuals that you can summon are historical figures from the past, who often leave behind lore and their real items in your world. Tarkus, Beatrice all existed in your world and are also summonable in your world.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by DoughGuy on Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:54 pm

    skarekrow13 wrote:Here's a graphic I made quick since I often word
    things in idisoyncratic fashion. The colored lines all represent one
    world. Intersections are where both characters would be "real" and any
    other part they can only connect via a phantom method. Notice the bottom
    axis is labeled "time" but that's more for simplicity again. Time is
    not always linear when discussing phantom interactions. For instance,
    Oscar's final point on his line actually intersects at our beginning.
    All other phantom contact (orange signs) would be earlier in his world
    but later in ours. Just like phantoms can move up or down on the diagram
    I believe they can move left and right (in other words, across time as
    well as world). Solaire is a good example. All the "real" points are
    linear to his world again (as is Siegmeyer, Sieglinde, Lautrec,
    Laurentius, Rhea, Petrus, etc. etc.). However, we have no way of knowing
    about phantom Solaire as he doesn't discuss the story when summoned.
    Add in the possibility of his death during a summon and the idea is you
    could be pulling him from any when



    Thast from the signs of the astoran knight thread. Oscar's story dosnt make sense, and really neither does Tarkus's, unless you have them operating on different planes, as there are a number of unique bosses they both kill. The items left behind are simply them interactig with your world.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:00 am

    I'd just like to mention that while I have my own view, Andre, since he was supposed to be the God of War before that content was removed.

    I'd like to say that saying, "It's definitely this," accomplishes nothing. Please say you believe or think it is, as this is a character with very little traceable information about him in game about who he is, as well different NPC's fall under what descriptions there are. I'm just a bit sick of people speaking about speculation as fact. I think it's Andre, but I won't say 100% undeniably it is Andre.
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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:04 am

    Logical flaw with a graph like that is the relativity of it. If you start with the relatavist assumption that the player's plane of existence is the only straight line, then it forces everything to conform to that. However, even using that as an example, movement is both lateral into other worlds and horizontal through time, leaving open the notion that summoning can occur amongst people from the same world just different times.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:07 am

    So to elaborate, if all of these existences are played out on waves, they would imply a nexus that they all share, a core that unites them. By that definition, there would really be no such thing as separate worlds.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by User on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:11 am



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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by User on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:13 am

    BTW Skare,a bout the repeated prism stone concept with dragon head... already done. Same video above.
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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:15 am

    Go back to 1:15. Puts it all in its proper context.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by User on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:17 am

    Shall I put on my top hat and discuss my idea and perspective of these worlds?
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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:18 am

    Oh, and the tongue in cheek joke in that video?

    "If you miss it, you must be blind hahahahaha"


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:19 am

    Do I have to go into paint?
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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:19 am

    Paint?


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by User on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:20 am

    Ah... I see how it is. An Emergence in combat, very well. I will get my revolver. A moment, if you will.
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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:21 am

    It's already opened, and I'm drawing an example.
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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:23 am

    Haha, my ultimate point is that Solaire seems like such a literary softball tossed to us. We have been so conditioned to secret hunt in this game, that we say "Nah, couldn't be that simple." I just can't shake all the references that Solaire is the game trolling us.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:25 am

    Theres just to much evidence against Solaire in my mind. And by nmy own logic my favourite candidate also cannot be the GoW so would I bring it up if I didnt believe it? tongue
    Also the player lines were straight for convenience, not because they are.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Emergence on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:31 am

    My ultimate point Dough, was that the worlds aren't really separated. They share so much core commonality that statements of exists here but not there are not applicable. It's almost as if everything that can possibly happen or ever happened is happening at once, and the dying of the world is opening up those simultaneous occurences as travel points.


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    Re: Solaire as God of War

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:39 am

    See, there could be different worlds, but maybe not everyone has their own world. You and Tarkus might share a world for example, but Solaire has his own.

    I sort of view it like this, there are multiple worlds constantly shifting and giving way to one another. Maybe you don't notice though, and cross into another one. This world is in a different time and place, but similar. Now you leave a sign, as it can always draw you back to a place to do a task. As such, Tarkus could say leave his sign somewhere that is too hard for him to pass. And wait until he either finds a world where it is passed or get summoned to defeat it with help. Similarly, maybe Solaire defeats something and leaves his sign knowing it is difficult. Lautrec gets to Anor Londo before you, so maybe he crossed into another world where the time was further on, after you defeated it, then crossed back. Or maybe he never crossed at all, but you did, and upon entering another world you find another Lautrec having been in Anor Londo. We never mention the possibility of parallel beings with time and worlds as well. So maybe it is a weird mix, time and worlds. Shifting and never existing at the same point but connecting.

    Frankly it seems like they wanted it to be ambiguous and we are analyzing it a bit too much.

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