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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Shabbalaba on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:17 pm

    @DoughGUY - woah - i never knew that.

    Do you happen to know how many nationalities there are to choose from and how many different colors there are of those nationalities....after re-reading that prior to posting that sounded kind of confusing what im getting at is there 7 different hollowed colors ?


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:53 pm

    I think there are 10. If I recall correctly SunBro was testing runs with one nationality tied to a starting class and covenant. The deprived was no covenant to make ten runs.

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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Federally on Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:59 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:Your skin colour as a hollow changes depending on your nationality.

    No, it changes based on your skin color as a human. So custom skin colors not associated with a default setting also give you different skin tones as a hollow


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Scirvir on Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:25 pm

    The Morning Star has two different descriptions. One has 'A' spike coming out of the pommel, and is a thrust weapon, the other says ' Spikes' coming out of the pommel, and is a strike weapon. Not sure where the different one came from, but I am gonna keep an eye on it on my next playthrough. Possibly the one behind firelink is different..? I remember reading a cool theory of the treasure back there belonging to Petrus for all his shifty doings.
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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by roanispe on Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:47 pm

    Theoretically, you can block dead-angles by unlocking, and looking away from your opponent when they do too. However, the timing, prediction, and sheer skilled required for this 'technique' is so great, that there is no reason not have utterly dominated your opponent before the situation actually arises to do this. Just to compare it, you require a higher level of ability to do this mechanical novelty than the 'insta-block' for no actual benefit. If you knew your opponent was going to dead-angle, then you should have got a backstab instead.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by befowler on Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:33 pm

    Scirvir wrote:The Morning Star has two different descriptions. One has 'A' spike coming out of the pommel, and is a thrust weapon, the other says ' Spikes' coming out of the pommel, and is a strike weapon. Not sure where the different one came from, but I am gonna keep an eye on it on my next playthrough. Possibly the one behind firelink is different..? I remember reading a cool theory of the treasure back there belonging to Petrus for all his shifty doings.

    Interesting, do you know if the thrust version benefits from the leo ring?


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Scirvir on Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:09 pm

    Couldn't tell you. The description seems to be the only thing different. The moveset for both are identical. Don't know if it was an oversight, or it is somehow connected to some part of the Rhea plot, if the treasure behind Firelink is indeed Petrus' hidden stash. Gonna clip Petrus tonight I think, and see what version Morning Star he drops.
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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by ublug on Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:26 pm

    Scirvir wrote:Couldn't tell you. The description seems to be the only thing different. The moveset for both are identical. Don't know if it was an oversight, or it is somehow connected to some part of the Rhea plot, if the treasure behind Firelink is indeed Petrus' hidden stash. Gonna clip Petrus tonight I think, and see what version Morning Star he drops.
    Petrus doesn't drop any weapons.

    Normal Upgrade Path:
    Hammer with a sharp spike on its pommel. One of the more barbaric cleric weapons.
    Uniquely, this hammer inflicts thrust damage, and causes bleeding.



    All Other Upgrade Paths:
    Hammer with sharp spikes on its pommel. One of the more barbaric cleric weapons.
    The effect of these spikes makes this strike-based weapon also cause bleeding.



    Thanks. Even though it's useless, this fact is still too good to be posted in this thread.

    And a thread contribution: If you hit the log behind the petrified blacksmith in the garden, it will turn into nice pieces of chopped firewood.

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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Scirvir on Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:54 pm

    Good. One less thing to look into.

    When you upgrade a Bandit's Knife, they drop 'Bandit' from the name.
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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Shkar on Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:24 am

    None of those damned blacksmiths have an actual forge besides the Mr. Fire himself...


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:05 am

    If you parry or BS a barbarian during an attack animation thhe attack will stop but the sound of the club hitting the ground will still sound.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:31 am

    The statues around DOlins tomb are flat.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:33 am

    Do you mean 2d or chested?

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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:37 am

    The fronts are perfectly flat, but they stick out from the wall.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:50 am

    That is interesting. Seems odd especially with the care put into every other statue

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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Federally on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:05 am

    skarekrow13 wrote:That is interesting. Seems odd especially with the care put into every other statue

    Go to the O&S fog door, to the left and right are statues that appear to be set into the panels on either side. They're also flat 2D images that give the perception of depth. It's obviously technical limitations that forced these things.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:22 am

    Actually its not neccesarily. The gate in the catacombs with the names on it has letters that look like they have depth, but are actually flat. So when it goes to PC you cant change the txtures to read the words easily.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Shabbalaba on Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:27 pm

    Its called 'Normal Mapping' or 'Bump Mapping'

    Thru the use of this texture 'layer', the GPU (graphics processing unit - aka 'graphics card') will add fake 'depth' to a 2-dimmesional image so it looks as if its 3-dimmensional.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Darkson on Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:21 pm

    Yeah, bump mapping simulates surface irregularities that aren't actually in the object's geometry, idk how exactly it works, I think it layers different textures and greyscales or something. It gives the illusion of a flat surface having complex geometry, unless you look at it at a very steep angle. There is some bump mapping going on almost every texture in the game.

    But I wonder why they didn't bump map (?) the crawling bugs texture (in the catacombs and starting cell). If you zoom in at them it just looks a bit cheap. (look what I'm complaining about...)


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Federally on Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:58 pm

    Darkson wrote:Yeah, bump mapping simulates surface irregularities that aren't actually in the object's geometry, idk how exactly it works, I think it layers different textures and greyscales or something. It gives the illusion of a flat surface having complex geometry, unless you look at it at a very steep angle. There is some bump mapping going on almost every texture in the game.

    But I wonder why they didn't bump map (?) the crawling bugs texture (in the catacombs and starting cell). If you zoom in at them it just looks a bit cheap. (look what I'm complaining about...)

    It has to all be related to technical limitations. Bump mapping isn't free resource wise, its simply an efficient way to make a 2D image appear to be 3D, it still requires added resources. And the examples you bring up look good viewed the way they should be, they just don't stand up to close inspection which is the same with most graphics in the generation.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by RaynexFall on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:21 pm

    I have no real useless facts for this thread, i just wanted to add to the 2d/depth part, take the image below, cross your eye's where the guy in the middle is overlapping, and you get a 3d image. the same thing could technically be applied to a game for cheap effects.



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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:43 pm

    Would we have to cross or eyes the whole time :drunken:




    Edit: lol ok that's pretty cool but makes me dizzy

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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by BLA1NE on Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:11 am

    Darkson wrote:But I wonder why they didn't bump map (?) the crawling bugs texture (in the catacombs and starting cell). If you zoom in at them it just looks a bit cheap. (look what I'm complaining about...)
    The worst offender I've spotted is in the Depths. In the Giant Rat's room, there's a pile of skulls and bones in a corner... just looks like a bump with a skulls and bones patterned wallpaper on it! I spotted it when I was standing on it to take a picture of one of my toons:

    Spoiler:


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Darkson on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:21 pm

    Yeah, it's that pile where you land on when you jump down that hole behind the butcher, right? I completely agree, also wondered why they did not bump map/made it more detailed. I mean, after you killed the butcher you are supposed to jump down there and land on it and be like "oh snap, that's where the butcher throws in the remaining bones of his victims". But I always just saw it as a random pile of sewer filth or something, actually only lately I realized what it is supposed to be as I looked closer. For it is supposed to resemble a pile of bones it just looks completely awful.


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    Re: Completely useless facts I find interesting

    Post by Shabbalaba on Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:01 pm

    Bump mapping Is less expensive than the 3D models - for example the hi-polygon count on the characters is very heavy on file size and gettjng the game to run at an acceptable FPS (the more **** going on, the more the Computer needs to 'work'

    So usually AAA game devs will use bump mapping on not so important objects or "static props"...meaning they do not move - (helps conserve the 'allowances' that are set for the project at hand.

    Example:

    User interface devs will have an allowance of say 420MB - they usually can do whatever they want (as long as its been approved)

    Character artists - theyll have a "polygon limit" - make the best model you can using 3000 polygons.
    Usually - the higher the polygon count the better quality the model is (not always the case, but its Generally true)


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