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    Kick Stagger.

    Post by DamageCK on Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:06 am

    Is whether or not the baddies stagger from a kick based on poise or endurance? Both? Neither?

    I like to do the ol' kick+GC thing, but whether or not they stagger is sort of hit or miss.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:10 am

    I'm so bad at kicks, it's not even funny.

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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by DamageCK on Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:12 am

    I was too for a while. Hardest part is knowing when you can get away with doing it.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by Ecko on Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:07 am

    I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that kicks simply reduce the enemies stamina and when they reach zero they are forced to stagger.

    I've honestly never tried kicking an enemy who wasn't blocking with a shield, so in a scenario where they aren't blocking then I don't know what would happen. I imagine it would do the same thing though and just keep reducing stamina but would not stagger them when it reaches zero.
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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by DamageCK on Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:14 am

    The stagger animations are different though. If they're blocking it's the typical guard break, but without the block it's more like a stagger. Hmm.

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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by Ecko on Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:24 am

    Ah, so you're wondering if the non-block is stamina based like the block-stagger?


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:49 am

    I'm fairly certain if they have their shield raised it drains their stamina, and if they arent blocking then they stagger(no matter the poise). Thats how it has seemed to me.
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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by LordRevan on Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:21 am

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:I'm fairly certain if they have their shield raised it drains their stamina, and if they arent blocking then they stagger(no matter the poise). Thats how it has seemed to me.

    Yeah it seems this way to me as well.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:24 am

    herpaderpsomeonedosometests derp.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by DamageCK on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:39 am

    Yeah. Do some testing, although now that Fruit said it, I'm pretty sure he's right. Good call, my man.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:26 pm

    I've wondered about it myself a few times. I think moments where lag made it seem as if my opponents shield was down when it wasn't confused me on the matter. I have a habit of running up and kicking people who buff in the burg or kiln, and they all wear full havels/giants ext. Kick is awesome, but it doesn't even touch push in demon's souls.
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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by RANT on Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:33 pm

    yep, what fruit said, it drains a lot of poise when you block and staggers your *** when you get kicked no matter the poise or stamina, im sure because ive fought glute a lot and he does the roll kick thing.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by Rynn on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:05 pm

    Kicking on players always staggers if the shield isn't up.
    Kicking on enemies like the silver knights assume they were blocking always.
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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by DamageCK on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:20 pm

    Been doing a lot of kicking lately, and as was previously stated, it will stagger anyone who isn't actively blocking. Good deal. Thanks, guys.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:21 pm

    I've seen kicks knock Havel the NPC's shield away.

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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by Quarik on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:23 pm

    If you're fighting someone who always locks on, kick as they roll. If you're using the death Ricard's combo, that stagger is as good as a parry.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by DamageCK on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:35 pm

    Except you can't kick with a rapier.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by Rynn on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:46 pm

    Can kick with a spear though.
    Spear + Kick + Leo's still hurts like a *****.
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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by Wade_Wilson on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:54 pm

    I have discovered that you can kick a Berenike Knight a few times while he blocks, and he comically flails his shield backwards when his guard is broken.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by Spurgun on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:54 pm

    Or kick with the BSS + leo.
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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:58 pm

    Wade_Wilson wrote:I have discovered that you can kick a Berenike Knight a few times while he blocks, and he comically flails his shield backwards when his guard is broken.

    As I wrote not too long ago, you can do this same thing to Havel and his beastly shield.

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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by DamageCK on Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:08 pm

    I've been doing it with the BSS R2 Leo Ring. They can still dodge away, but sometimes you catch 'em.


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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by EWGF on Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:31 pm

    Kick/knee/slow kick all ignore poise.
    Kick does bonus shield damage.
    Kick cannot be parried.
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    Re: Kick Stagger.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:10 pm

    I tested it with different amounts of poise. It doesn't matter if I had 0 poise or 161 poise, I would be staggered with my shield down.


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