I hate people.

Well the more objectively I try to view humanity the more disgusting it seems. We're basically a virus.

Edit: I just realized that what I typed there is very contradicting. Maybe "objectively" is not the right word, let's say the more I try to look at humanity "from above"?

Forum Pirate wrote:I'm 21 guys. December 26th, 1990. I do believe you missed my point Eki. I specifically stated that I have no strong feelings towards most individuals, its groups. People as a whole.

LOL ok I don't know how they said you are 15. So never mind what I said before. Oh I think its because you referred to 15 year olds in your OP

So its groups you say not individuals. hmmmmm People as a whole you say you hate.

All the unnecessary drama, always making unimportant things a big deal, demonising perfectly normal things and not batting an eye at people being chainsawed in half, trying so hard to be special when they're really just like everyone else.

This^ is what some people do. Sometimes it grows into a group. Can you give an example of unnecessay drama? Can you tell me what is a perfectly normal thing and demonising it?

There must have been something you saw that made this come out.

Based off what he said, I'd assume he is talking about the demonisation of video games or media's more controversial things, which shouldn't be. Guy gets beheaded in a game, fine. Woman gets punched, suddenly the game has controversy. That sort of thing.

Nothing specific brought it up, I've been this way since like 6th grade. The varying media and public attacks on varying things, sex in media, animal rights, "racism" (as in the vast overuse of the term in situations where it doesn't apply) over the course of my life have almost always been completely stupid. Did you hear about the guy who got arrested because he modeled a counter strike map on his highschool, or the kid who got expelled for having a butter knife in the back of his truck, or the entire tomb raider BS, or when PETA went after Pikes Place Market for throwing the fish like they do, or the Mass Effect thing a few years back, the whole sexism in games thing? Its all completely nuts. Why does anyone bother to focus on these things, rather than dealing with actual problems?

Its only a big deal because they make it one. No one is being hurt, so deal with the actual problems, instead of inventing new problems and ignoring the real thing.

For the record the Tom Raider issue wasn't because there was **** in the game. It was because the way they brought it up, the designers put it forth in almost a fetishist way, in that one would want to feel they are like a "White Knight" saving her, almost like she actually is a weak woman that needs to be protected. Sort of defeating the entire, "She is her own woman now" thing, and just bringing it back to "Women are weak, we need to protect them."

Not women are weak, she was, and is frequently vulnerable due to inexperience in the game. Thats perfectly reasonable. Over coming that vulnerability is a testament to strength, in anyone, not just women.

Also, its a game. Its not being condoned, so deal with the actual problem, rather than attacking a game that recognises the issue excists

I have no problem with a **** scene as I said, but it is how they word it.

It is sort of like how, in mass effect you can punch a woman in the face.

Now imagine if one of the main selling points of the game is, "Guess what guys? In this game you can beat women! That's right! We've also designed it so that she is so annoying you won't even feel guilty for hitting them! Go on give it a try!"

That is a terrible thing, and of course would get them in a media **** storm. Essentially they treated the **** scene as something important to the game, and acted as if it was a selling point to people who want to protect women. So, people are treating it exactly as they presented it. If they hadn't mentioned it or offhand just been like, "Yeah there is a **** attempt in the game, and depending on your action there are different outcomes." I would say, "Really? Well that's a pretty bold move for the game, good for them." But acting like children and talking about it in such an immature way, they doomed themselves.

Forum Pirate wrote:Nothing specific brought it up, I've been this way since like 6th grade. The varying media and public attacks on varying things, sex in media, animal rights, "racism" (as in the vast overuse of the term in situations where it doesn't apply) over the course of my life have almost always been completely stupid. Did you hear about the guy who got arrested because he modeled a counter strike map on his highschool, or the kid who got expelled for having a butter knife in the back of his truck, or the entire tomb raider BS, or when PETA went after Pikes Place Market for throwing the fish like they do, or the Mass Effect thing a few years back, the whole sexism in games thing? Its all completely nuts. Why does anyone bother to focus on these things, rather than dealing with actual problems?

Its only a big deal because they make it one. No one is being hurt, so deal with the actual problems, instead of inventing new problems and ignoring the real thing.

Ahh!! Ok i concur my friend. I am familiar with those examples and you don't hate people you hate stupid people. I also hate how focus is placed on the trivial. This is because is what the media wants to show us. They don't care about the truth they care about their agenda.

In other countries, poorer countries, people tend to focus on more important things due to the real life needs of people. Have you been to any place outside the US?

Tolvo wrote:Based off what he said, I'd assume he is talking about the demonisation of video games or media's more controversial things, which shouldn't be. Guy gets beheaded in a game, fine. Woman gets punched, suddenly the game has controversy. That sort of thing.

Very perceptive. Thanks.

No, I'm poor. Like very poor, always have been.

People as a whole are like that. Its not just stupid people, many highly intelligent people fall into the same trap and make dumb decisions. Thats why I said "as a whole" and "groups," everyone falls for it sometimes.


@tolvo, yes because 1 comment was poorly phrased its totally a terrible thing now. Everyone should condemn the game entirely instead of actually playing it and seeing what the games creators actually intended.

BTW its square, I seriously doubt square is doomed.

I guess we should just drop the subject if it is getting you this work up Forum.

And thanks Dx, I sort of see myself as a specialist in understanding people haha. I know I'm not, but I like to imagine I am.

Well, I still maintain that Avatar blew majorly.

Kind of my point. It shouldn't be a big deal. My issues are with people making things a big deal, while ignoring actual problems.

As an example, I had a full time job for 4 years, know how much I made? 6400 a year. A year, because of low hours, yet I couldn't find another job because no-one was hiring. Its not just me either, tens of thousands of people in America are in similar situations, unable to find another job and unwilling to risk losing the job by reporting illegal practices. This is an actual issue all over the world, and people freak out about a Freaking butter knife kin the bed of a highschoolers truck? Its downright disgusting.

Edit: Now, do I expect others to care about problems that arn't theirs? No, but when they turn around and freak about something completely irrelevant, I become irritated.

There is no money in reporting depressing stories like that. Where is there money? In freaking people out cause a highschooler had a butter knife and was"plannign to kill someone". The media focuses on the money making story.

Things aren't always as black and white as you think. The butter knife, what is he going to do with a butter knife?

But there have been issues such as a kid who recreated his entire highschool in an FPS as a map, as you said. I don't know if this is the same instance, but this kid made NPC's of everyone at his school. Full names, and you could torture them, strip them, they would scream out and you could kill them. He would often play it. Obviously he fantasized kiling the people at his school, and torturing him. He found others who did and they played it together living this fantasy, letting it grow in their minds. That is incredibly sick and dangerous, that sort of thing yes people will notice and try to put a stop to. But there are smaller issues that time will tell. The new TR game, yes it might turn out the scene is done very well, but from what they have said of the scene so far it doesn't sound that way. So they present the issue, they have to resolve it. If I accidentally said, "I hate black people." And I'm a public figure, well I have to prove I don't hate black people now. If they do it good for them, I want more mature games. But until they do, there is no reason to think they aren't doing it in a bad way. If you trya food for the first time and it is terrible your first assumption usually is, "Oh I must not like the taste of this food." You typically don't think, "Oh this chef must be having a bad day and screwed it up."

Different incident. Thats still not on the company, its on the person.

Neither tolvo should you assume that something is bad BEFORE YOU TRY IT. To use your metaphor. Just became my food looks like barf doesn't mean thats what it tastes like.

It is fine to assume that, it might not be the case but until you taste it you would still have your view of it. Are people not allowed to have any opinions in the world?

They are allowed to have views, but views should be formulated based on experience. If you don't have experience, assumptions are dangerous and make one easily manipulated.

And my experience with gaming media and how developers are, square enix included, has told me that often such mature matters are treated in ridiculous and immature ways. Leading me to believe they will screw it up. So I have the experience, so what is wrong with my view that they will do it poorly?

Neither should those views take focus from actual problems. I'm not requiring people to do anything. Wat I want, is for people to reserve judgement. Think. There are virtually no facts on the details of the story available, so judging the game based on 2 40 second trailers and a poorly worded comment is not a rational thing to do.

BTW about the butter knife, I could do more damage faster with a computer moniter or the leg of a table. If he wants to hurt people, the tools are everywhere and people will be hurt. Expelling him wouldn't stop it, neiter would bringing a weapon be necessary.


I'm not saying you have to play it, or care about it. I'm saying, if you haven't played it, judging it is ludicrous. You are perfectly justified in not playing it, for whatever reason, but actually posessing a view on it and its contents until you've played it is something I cannot condone. Dubiousness is fine, being wary is fine, not playing because of those feelings is fine, but posessing a view on something you haven't experienced is ignorant.

The same applies to everything, food, games, people, cars, music, being a vegan, being ***. You're not required to try them, but if you chose not to your opinion is unfounded. Each thing deserves to be judged on its own merits, remember?

I haven't tasted garbage yet in my life, should I then before thinking that garbage tastes bad?

^^ Eat garbage Tolvo, it is delicious - damn, I could have thought of a better word from my wide range of vocabulary

Yes. Otherwise you really can't know. Am I recommending you actually eat garbage? No, but to say it tastes bad, or assume it will taste bad, without having tasted it is irrational. It looks and smells bad, so I don't eat it, but that doesn't mean it is bad. The opposite is true as well.

So I'm not allowed to have opinions then?

I can't stop you, but posessing opinions on things you haven't tried is ignorant. You haven't tried it, so you really can't know. Leaving it at "it looks and smells bad, so I have no wish to eat it" is a more rational way to see it, and perfectly justified. I find garbage disgusting, because it looks and smells bad, but that in no way means it wouldn't taste good.