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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by sinisterapathy on Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:05 am

    While i dont do this because im too stubborn to back down my internet goes out for no reason sometimes...for awhile it would do it once a day. It hasnt done it in a few weeks but if that does happen i dont want my char killed just because my internet effed up.

    Also i can understand people doing this. 90% of invaders are nothing but BS fishers..which given the way BSing works in this game its cheating IMHO. BSing is broken and pretty much everyone abuses it.(i havent played in awhile...maybe its different now? :roll: ) So i cant blame people for doing it. I just cuss and move on.

    Anyways i would much rather From fix BS than kill my char if my internet happens to go out.
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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by eminusx on Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:18 am

    Jesus man do people really do that, purposefully unplug? haha fools

    being invaded is one of the best parts of the game, even when i get my ar$e handed to me (providing its a couteous and fair fight of course)



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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:18 pm

    Cracked eye orbs aren't covenant bound, thats the value in them. Plues DWs only get it after turning in 30 humanity (not that bad honestly).

    But why do you all wish for their data to be corrupted?? Thats fairly extreme, they are simply running away with their tails between their legs. So what if you lost an Eye orb or couldn't gain a single humanity, one of them is a purchasable item, the other wasn't yet yours to begin with.Like I said (before my angry comment lol) take it as a compliment, they fear you. Its animal instinct, fight or flight. THey choose flight. You're the hunter they are the prey, not all prey sits down and waits to die. And some are able to escape. But there is always more. Killing the character I can understand, but corrupting their data, forcing them to start over? Thats harsh man.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:12 pm

    It's not like we want horrible things to happen to them. We're just saying there needs to be a patch to make the DC something people don't want to do. Maybe it puts them at the last Major Bonfire that they rested at? And gives the invader a humanity, if it isn't his side that Disconnected.

    These things aren't REALLY big solutions, but I know I don't want to ruin people's data. There'd be such a teeny tiny community in that case!


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Buggy Virus on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:18 pm

    JoeBroski09 wrote:It's not like we want horrible things to happen to them. We're just saying there needs to be a patch to make the DC something people don't want to do. Maybe it puts them at the last Major Bonfire that they rested at? And gives the invader a humanity, if it isn't his side that Disconnected.

    These things aren't REALLY big solutions, but I know I don't want to ruin people's data. There'd be such a teeny tiny community in that case!

    This is what I have been saying. The game should just treat disconnecting as a death during an invasion. Next time you reload you're at your last bonfire with your bloodstain where ever you disconnected.

    Then on the invaders side they get their souls and humanity for winning an invasion.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:19 pm

    JoeBroski09 wrote:It's not like I want horrible things to happen to them.
    Fixed.

    To validate, go back a couple pages, you may not want horrible things but damn way too many people do.

    The solutions you provided would be ok, just giving the invader an auto-reward, but wouldn't that make the invaders actually egg on DCing? I would see a whole lot more troll builds meant to taunt Hosts into saying "F this" and DCing.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:19 pm

    Yeah, but, sadly, with P2P connection that Dark Souls has, there's no way to know who had the DC. With a server, you could. But they don't have one sad

    @Yar. I was speaking for Buggy and I haha! Anyway, I'm pretty sure builds that actually get you to kill them would be faster and easier than anything else haha! If you had a build to try to get the host to say "eff this" it'll just take longer and more waiting on both parts. Idt trolls are very patient silly


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:26 pm

    Oh christ, if Invaders could trigger the DC, they'd just invade, DC and screw the host over O.O
    So that isn't going to work lol

    ^Ah I see, yeah you two seem to be the most reasoned, although anyone arguing in favor of the DCers gets ganged pretty quick and backs down ^.^


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:27 pm

    Hahaha! 'Cause DCing is cheating. It's like people saying it's ok to hack your character. At least, in my mind.

    If they only had servers!!!! PvPing would be so much better.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:32 pm

    Its not cheating, the host gains nothing, and comparing it to hacking a char is really an exaggeration, hacked chars don't PvE, they invade people and mess them up. Hosts are just trying to make a run for the boss and summon help. Thats the issue with your "They have to be ready for it" bit, most aren't, thats why they summon help. There is a risk of invasion that they are aware of, but this game isn't exactly easy, and you shouldn't let PvP override co-op.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:33 pm

    this is still going lol!. this is seriously the last thing i would complain about when it comes to pvp in dark souls. like others and i have said, this happens in EVERY online game. i still just dont understand what the big deal is, neither player loses or gains anything. i get what tolvo said, and yes its annoying to lose cracked orbs but its never made me get upset or frustrated. if they patched this(they wont) i would only agree if they maybe made it so the invader doesnt lose their cracked orb or have it so the invader receives the sovereign,dragon scale,or humanity. im surprised no one mentioned gravelords who exit out right when they see fog appear. that might piss me off if i didnt love black phantom mobs so much silly
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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:37 pm

    Yarxov wrote:Its not cheating, the host gains nothing, and comparing it to hacking a char is really an exaggeration, hacked chars don't PvE, they invade people and mess them up. Hosts are just trying to make a run for the boss and summon help. Thats the issue with your "They have to be ready for it" bit, most aren't, thats why they summon help. There is a risk of invasion that they are aware of, but this game isn't exactly easy, and you shouldn't let PvP override co-op.
    One definition of cheating: "to violate rules or regulations"
    The game put in the rule "no quitting while invaded." obviously by not letting you quit while invaded! So, yes, it is cheating. silly

    They do have to be ready. It's a big part of the game. If people could not DC, they WOULD be ready. Instead, a crazy amount of people will just DC as soon as they get invaded indefinitely, because they are cheating the game. Just like a hacked character cheats the game.

    And PvP is not overriding co-op. Or, rather, it wouldn't. It'd be even with it. It'd be JUST like the developers intended it: a potential enemy for every friend you gain. It'd be even.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:39 pm

    I think this is small potatoes next to a lot of other things that go on. I get more bent out of shape when two guys spam gestures after they "bravely" double teamed me successfully or seizure their block animation. Disconnecting is a crappy thing to do but it's like the stereotype of the little kid who isn't winning and says "It's my ball and I'm going home" to try to ruin your fun. That kid sucks but that type of personality will always find a way to do their thing. You just gotta move on and enjoy people willing to actually play.

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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:40 pm

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:this is still going lol!. this is seriously the last thing i would complain about when it comes to pvp in dark souls. like others and i have said, this happens in EVERY online game. i still just dont understand what the big deal is, neither player loses or gains anything. i get what tolvo said, and yes its annoying to lose cracked orbs but its never made me get upset or frustrated. if they patched this(they wont) i would only agree if they maybe made it so the invader doesnt lose their cracked orb or have it so the invader receives the sovereign,dragon scale,or humanity. im surprised no one mentioned gravelords who exit out right when they see fog appear. that might piss me off if i didnt love black phantom mobs so much silly
    Naw, no one time has never made me upset or anything. Just the entire fact that 60% of my invades are DC's. That entire fact fairly irritates me. And we're talking about potential solutions. That won't ever happen haha! It's simply a big problem in the whole scheme of things, and it'd be nice if it was fixed.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:40 pm

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:this is still going lol!. this is seriously the last thing i would complain about when it comes to pvp in dark souls.
    I agree completely lol!

    ^You and your damn definitions lol.

    I define cheating as violating rules or regulations for personal gain.

    People drink and drive, doesn't mean they are cheating.

    Peaople rig games in casinos, thats cheating since it gives you gain.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:41 pm

    skarekrow13 wrote:I think this is small potatoes next to a lot of other things that go on. I get more bent out of shape when two guys spam gestures after they "bravely" double teamed me successfully or seizure their block animation. Disconnecting is a crappy thing to do but it's like the stereotype of the little kid who isn't winning and says "It's my ball and I'm going home" to try to ruin your fun. That kid sucks but that type of personality will always find a way to do their thing. You just gotta move on and enjoy people willing to actually play.
    But I don't wanna move on! I wanna keep talking! *hmph* *stomps foot*


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:42 pm

    You have had bad experiences with people DCing obviously, thats why you have that stance, Id recommend you apply for a transfer to invade other areas.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:43 pm

    Yarxov wrote:People drink and drive, doesn't mean they are cheating.

    Peaople rig games in casinos, thats cheating since it gives you gain.
    Drunk driving is cheating, you just have to see it in the right way. As a police officer, you see these drivers. You know the rules, you enforce them, you live by them. These people are cheating the rules YOU LIVE BY. The ones you ENFORCE. The ones you uphold, and they are breaking them. They are cheating life by cheating your rules, or "laws."


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:45 pm

    Yarxov wrote:You have had bad experiences with people DCing obviously, thats why you have that stance, Id recommend you apply for a transfer to invade other areas.
    I'm a follooooower! I'm forced to invade in Blighttown. I'm guessing I get people with horrible internet like myself, so they're not used to being invaded. When they do, they just simply DC because they don't have enough experience to even WANT to deal with it.


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:49 pm

    Just message people saying "Hey, I was gonna give you a cool present" and then if you invade them again mercilessly slaughter them and say that it was a limited time offer and they didn't read their claim voucher's fine print.

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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:50 pm

    skarekrow13 wrote:Just message people saying "Hey, I was gonna give you a cool present" and then if you invade them again mercilessly slaughter them and say that it was a limited time offer and they didn't read their claim voucher's fine print.
    I could seriously do this! I have my keyboard hooked up to my PS3 at all times. It'd be so easy! big grin


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:55 pm

    I once invaded a guy as a peddler for the Easter 2 event and was gonna drop presents and he attacked me. Not sure who won the fight (let's assume me by a mile for storytelling sake.....in fact I don't think he landed a single blow....Indeed!) but I messaged him and said he had missed out on cool gifts. I also mentioned I was the Easter Bunny. He sounded bummed he missed out. This would totally work in your case. You could even drop an item to make it look legit then open up on them.

    Although this idea reeaaaaaalllly won't improve the online community I suppose.

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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by bmurn on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:05 pm

    I thought this came up once before and someone had an interesting suggestion. In the case of a DC award the non DCing party a victory and the spoils, but do not take anything away from the DCing party. I thought this was a simple and elegant solution.

    It is definitely annoying when people DC. Not enough for me to really care, but enought for me to join the conversation while eating lunch.
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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:15 pm

    I'm driving. But that's the same thing right?


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    Re: Players who quit or turn off their console during an invasion should lose

    Post by Buggy Virus on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:37 pm

    @Fruit and Skarekrow

    I know it's not one of the bigger issues, and I didn't expect it to get debated to death, but I still think it is an issue with an easy solution that might as well get fixed.


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