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    Post by JoeBroski09 Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:25 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Black light is impossible, its purple hence blacklight as an example, similarly Jumbo means big and shrimp mean small. Its a big small, which makes no sense without a comparison. They're called oxymorons. Names that imply impossibilities.
    *sigh* did you not read my post? at all?

    shrimp NOUN!
    the light, as in light BULB looks black before it turns on!

    The examples you gave are not true examples! Unless you somehow used the wrong definitions to create an oxymoron.
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:26 am

    That's because a common form of it makes it appear as if there is no light, while it is a light. So it is called a black light.

    And a shrimp is an animal, so it is a jumbo shrimp. Similar to a large cat, or giant spider.
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    Post by Federally Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:27 am

    Forum, I believe you and I would get along well and debate constantly lol
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    Post by JoeBroski09 Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:27 am

    Should I use my invisibility for good or for evil? Hahahaha! Oh well. BED TIME! We can continue to derail this thread tomorrow.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:31 am

    Imply was the key word. The bulb still isn't black btw, or light couldn't escape. Its a purple bulb.

    Acute dullness, a new classic, almost exactly, alone in a crowd, boneless ribs. Names that imply impossibilities,
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    Post by JoeBroski09 Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:32 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Imply was the key word. The bulb still isn't black btw, or light couldn't escape. Its a purple bulb.

    Acute dullness, a new classic, almost exactly, alone in a crowd, boneless ribs. Names that imply impossibilities,
    all these phrases are abstract and can easily be interpreted the opposite of how you are pointing them out.......
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:38 am

    Not the point., how would you turn around boneless ribs? also mply remember? My point was that the name is just that. It shouldn't be taken as a representation of the content that it represents. (I know thats a strange sentence) My name is Travis. That tells you absolutely nothing about me.
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    Post by JoeBroski09 Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:40 am

    I guess so. In the same way that we're talking about RPG's words, the content that RPG is applied to doesn't really reflect the words Role Playing Game.

    Right?
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:45 am

    Thats it. I realise our opinions on what makes an RPG are different. Just trying to explain why my definition doesn't match the words. If it did, COD, Saints Row, even like ace combat, mech assault and pokemon snap would be RPGs.
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:48 am

    Rather than changing the definition of a word that will cause it to be more confusing Forum, it's much better to just use a different word. Dungeon Crawler, Narrative, Story Intensive, On Rails Story, things like that. But RPG, it's so vague. Like OSPS, Over the Shoulder FPS. Mass Effect is technically one, but so is gears of war. We need to be more distinct.

    As earlier mentioned, you don't just use the word theist. You get definitive, that person is a catholic, that person is an Agnostic irreligious Atheist, you don't just use one huge blanket term. If the term doesn't exist, try to create it. Don't just misuse one that already exists.
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    Post by JoeBroski09 Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:49 am

    Like how I made up Story Playing Game for LA Noire and Heavy Rain.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:56 am

    Anime in game form? Super epic cutscene intensive interactive cartoon with 3d models and a focus on story!!!!!

    Anyways, the industry doesn't have a term I'm aware of or I'd use it instead. Creating terms would just confuse people because I'm not a journalist so I'd have to explain it every time. So I use a (actually reasonably broadly accepted) meaning that is at odds with the meaning of the words themselves to reference the genre to which I am declaring DKS to be excluded from.

    (I like more than jrpgs, thats just what came to mind.)


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    Post by JoeBroski09 Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:57 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Anime in game form? Super epic cutscene intensive interactive cartoon with 3d models and a focus on story!!!!!

    Anyways, the industry doesn't have a term I'm aware of or I'd use it instead. Creating terms would just confuse people because I'm not a journalist so I'd have to explain it every time. So I use a (actually reasonably broadly accepted) meaning that is at odds with the meaning of the words themselves to reference the genre to which I am declaring DKS to be excluded from.
    That is SO much easier than explaining something in a few sentences every time! lol! Especially if you consider you'll have to debate every time you do this.


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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:58 am

    So then you wish for people to misuse the words then.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:02 am

    Its hardly misuse, and its not a word. Its jargon and an acronym. My definition is simply more narrow so it defines a genre, rather than being an all inclusive term for games involving people.
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:04 am

    Well then it appears you wish to use terms in a way as to get people to understand you better. So you use a meaning of a word that people would understand, meaning you have completely contradicted your entire side up to this point Forum. Come now, I though you were better at debate than this. You've got to remember trying to lead me in directions isn't as simple as others, because I'm actually paying attention to your wordings and slight manipulations. silly
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:10 am

    What meaning that people can understand? I would prefer there was a term for what I'm refering to yes, so I would be more easily understood. That doesn't mean I would agree with or use the term RPG the same way society does. I still wouldn't, there would simply be less misunderstanding so I would argue less because I could simply use the term they understand.

    Like saying racist instead of xenophobic.
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    Post by Federally Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:14 am

    Forum doesn't your definition of Rpg exclude table top Rpgs from the genre? Are they now "table top dungeon crawlers"? The only story they had is the broad outline created by the DM and the story you and your friends experienced and created as you played.
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:15 am

    "I believe that terms should only be used in a proper manner, yet I think proper is not how most use the term, but I use the term as others use it for a better understanding."

    That is how your argument appears right now Forum.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:29 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:What meaning that people can understand? I would prefer there was a term I believed were accuratefor what I'm refering to yes, so I would be more easily understood. That doesn't mean I would agree with or use the term RPG the same way society does. I still wouldn't, there would simply be less misunderstanding so I would argue less because I could simply use the term they understand.

    Like saying racist instead of xenophobic.

    Fixed. Damn your paying attention.
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:32 am

    Just do what I do when I make a slip up in a debate, say it was a feint to gauge the responses of others.

    ...Which I do actually do from time to time haha. Debating is war man! You need recon, flanking, feints, and bombardments! Plus battleships!
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:35 am

    Essentially, I would prefer everything had set meanings not subject to interpretation, so individual definitions weren't necessary. However such definitions are necessary and so I apply them as best I can, and did so, now here we are.
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:36 am

    Indeed, maybe if Transhumanists ever have their way Subject will become Object haha.
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    Post by eminusx Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:36 am

    firstly, @forum, im not here to offend people so I do apologise if I did earlier!

    It seems the main point of issue here is that you have a clear definition of RPG in your head, and because Dark Souls strays from that crystal cut model in its method of storytelling, you no longer deem it to be an RPG.

    The way I see it, RPG is the top tier 'parent' name just as 'mammal' is to the animal kingdom, its no secret that the term is a slightly obscure catch-all for such a rich and varied genre, albeit one with a single unifying similarity. . that of adopting a single role and playing it to unravel the the game.

    I completely agree that RPG is simply too vague to accurately describe the wealth of choice on offer, so to further define game styles over the years, the terms 'action-rpg', JRPG, MMORPG and so on, were created to clarify an otherwise nondescript term. This is entirely logical, just as a whale, horse or shrew are extremely different on the exterior they are still mammals at their core, just as a jrpg, or action rpg is STILL an RPG at heart, its simply a variation of that core mechanic that requires further definition.

    So, just because Dark Souls' method of storytelling strays slightly from the traditional 'RPG' model that you are familiar with, one in which the story is presented to you in an obvious fashion, you cannot deny that it falls beneath the RPG umbrella term, I would say however that it is distinctly different enough to warrant a more precise definition.

    Furthermore, the original premise of this thread was the ill-conceived 'lack of story' review. Its Dark Souls desire to be different, this new approach to storytelling that separates it from other games. Some people may balk at change, but In an industry that often suffocates beneath its own weight, change is good, and this evolution should be celebrated not berated. I wasnt trying to be clever using David Lynch films as a metaphor, but some people make out like the deliberately 'hidden' story was simply laziness on the developers part which is both ridiculous and incredibly short sighted, hence the vigorous exchange from fans.


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    Post by Tolvo Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:37 am

    You're a bit late Emin. silly

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