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    Post by King-Of-Twilight Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:43 pm

    Part two: Seath the Scaleless

    If the backstory From Software has given us about Seath has told is anything, it has told us that Seath was a monster. He performed heinous experiments on innocent young women, he betrayed his own kind and is one of the major reasons they are almost extinct, and several more.

    This is supported in numerous places, such as the Pisacas cage at the bottom of the prison tower. (context: The blue octapus-serpent hybrids). If the alarm is shut off, then the Pisacas sit there and weep to themselves, which sounds kind of upsetting to listen to from how I say it, but in practice it'd quite disturbing. Another support of this is that two of the Pisacas killed leave behind the miracles Soothing Sunlight and Bountiful Sunlight, both of which are stated in the description to only be given to Gwynevere's handmaidens. I have also come to believe that the Man-Serpents are his doing, and it is confirmed that Seath created the Moonlight Butterflies and the Crystal Golems, not to mention everything else in the Duke's Archives.

    Seath was a very emotionally charged being as I see it. He betrayed his own kind and nearly eradicated them all because he did not have the scales that granted them enternal life, while he himself would only live for a few hundred years. He was driven by jealousy and a feeling of inferiority, as well as the shunnin he must have recieved for both being born without scales, and being born with insectoid wings.

    Another possibility (though far less likely) is that Seath fell in love with a god, and switched sides to fight for her. This would not only fit with the emotional aspect of things, but it may also explain Priscilla, whom From Software have confirmed as Seath's daughter. The only potential mother figures we know of in Dark Souls lore are the Witch of Izalith, Gwynevere and Velka, but the Witch is unlikely, as she had seven daughters and a son of her own anyway, and we know far too little about the god of Justice to place blame on her (though that may explain why Velka's equipment is in the Painted World with Priscilla), so the most likely mother is Gwynevere. Far more likely from what we know about Seath would be that he did betray his own kind out of envy, and then later raped the mother without Gwyn ever knowing the truth, hence why he retained his dukedom.

    It is stated that the Channelars that serve Seath are apparently everywhere, watching the world for Seath like spies. They are actually found in several in-game location that are a fair distance from the Duke's Archives such as the Undead Parish and the Depths, so this may not be entirely false. The reason I bring them up is because Seath was blinded by one of his experiments (I refuse to believe he was born blind. How the hell did he wipe out hundred of thousands of dragons if he couldn't see them? Besides, being blinded would serve him right for his evil doings), and Seath made each Channelar wear a helmet with six eyes, to compensate for his lack of vision. Also, I doubt he was born with tentacles, and that that was another experimental failure on Seath's behalf.

    So far, we have jealousy, we have hatred, we have ****, we have ungodly and unethical scientific experimentation and we have just total assholery. What else is there left to add but madness?

    Seath has clearly gone completely insane by the time the Chosen Undead stumbles upon him, completely obsessed with Crystals as his new form of immortality (which, until the Primordial Crystal is broken, is fully apparent). We see first hand what the crystals have done to the Hollows Seath kept around the Archives. They were pumped full of crystals until they had no skin, and all of their internal organs where solidified. Hell, if you hit a Crystal Undead, they don't bleed red blood. Their blood refracts light, creating a rainbow effect due to all of the tiny crystals in their (no doubt crystallized) veins. Seath has also performed these experiments upon himself, seeing as not only does he bleed in exactly the same way, but you can see large portions of crystal growing from his tail and lower back, on the off chance that you missed his entire waist being engulfed by crystal and stone. Another thing about his madness; when one breaks the Lrimordial Crystal, Seath howls in rage. It makes me wonder whether he's screaming because I've destroyed his life's work, the destruction of the crystal caused him agony, or if he is so mad that he is enraged by the slightest inconvenience.

    Finally, I speak about Seath's enemy Bishop Havel the Rock, long-time friend to Lord Gwyn, hater of magic and hater of dragons. Seath being a magical dragon (and the inventor of most modern magics) as well as a trator, I can see why Havel would despise him. However, not much else is said on the matter, though I believe that the hate was mutual, and that Seath had a claw in Havel being locked away in that tower. I like to think that the straw that broke the camels back was that one of the handmaidens was Havel's romantic interest, and when Seath had her captured and changed (I use that term loosely), he attacked the dragon, who feigned innocence to Gwyn, who in turn locked Havel away for both attacking the Duke and for then attacking Gwyn (I like to think that Gwyn knew about the handmaidens, and let Seath do it, but he didn't know about one of them being a romantic interest for Havel. Havel is locked away 'for his own good, of course', Seath earns another cheap victory, and Gwyn loses a piece of himself for ease filly killing on of his oldest and greatest allies and friends. In true Seath style, everyone involved loses but the scaleless dragon.

    The only thing more I could add is that Seath obviously did not take good care of himself, hence why we can see his ribcage. Actually, no. Another thing: The Man-Eater Clams are native to Ash Lake, and the Everlastig Dragon reside down there. How has he not noticed yet? Or did he choose to ignore his eternal relative, due to his madness and crystal obsession?


    JESUS that is a wall of text. Sorry, I got carried away...uh, hope you enjoyed. Comments and opinions are welcome and even encouraged, as are corrections.

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    Post by FattyOfDoom Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:28 pm

    How is it likely Gywnevere? The only thing going is that she's massive, but that is the illusion, so it can't be her
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    Post by FattyOfDoom Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:31 pm

    And also, if you look closely, you can see these crystal scales on seath, he nearly completed his goal. (Before we killed him)
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    Post by User Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:03 pm

    You missed a good amount, I think.
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    Post by King-Of-Twilight Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:03 pm

    Like I said, corrections are welcome. Though, who else could the mother be?
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    Post by Shkar Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:09 pm

    King-Of-Twilight wrote:Like I said, corrections are welcome. Though, who else could the mother be?

    Acidic has given evidence that it is quite likely Velka, Goddess of Sin.

    I don't think there IS a "mother". I VERY highly doubt that it was an actual birth. The actual conception would be strange, if even possible due to the size of Seath (and the simple SHAPE of the bodies), and from a real world biology stance, it technically shouldn't even be possible.

    Humans and Dragons are different species; the very definition of that means that they can't reproduce biologically. Therefor, magic or science was most likely involved.

    And I feel disturbed for writing this...
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    Post by cloudyeki Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:14 pm

    Spoiler:

    A bit from the old Magical Theory thread. Seath really is a great character to think about, because he has ALOT of interesting history and lore regarding him.
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