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    Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Turin on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:44 pm

    How come every invader i´ve encountered, uses Es-tus just moments before they would be slain? I mean fair fight is a FAIR FIGHT. Usin´ Es-tus plainly shows fear of defeat. Few hundred years back, inside Colosseum, gladiators didn´t use healing potions.

    They fought until death.

    Bunch of cowards. Every coward dies thousand deaths.
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by NordNorth on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:46 pm

    I didn't know invaders could use Estus


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Spurgun on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:46 pm

    I think you should join this user cov.
    Seriously though, invaders can’t use estus. Did you mean that you invaded them or were they using humanity/divine blessing?
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by NordNorth on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:48 pm

    Or he means invadees. And plus, I guarantee they have died hundreds of deaths, maybe not thousands. I would use a damn healing potion if I was a gladiator that's fo sho.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:49 pm

    They're probably glitchers who use 99 divine blessings... :|


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Spurgun on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:54 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:They're probably glitchers who use 99 divine blessings... :|

    Hey, i am one of those glitchers. But i only use the DBs when i get ganked or the other heals first.
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Yarxov on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:56 pm

    Lots of Finnish players on the forum I see silly
    But It doesnt matter what he meant, the point is clear, people using Heals in a duel isnt fair.
    And DBs are awful, fastest heals in game.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by NordNorth on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:57 pm

    Oooo I hadn't thought of that. Cheap! As fun as PVP is, I still die more
    than win and if I'm that close to winning, I would be pissed too.

    Although,
    isn't it still a fair fight if you have the ability to heal as well?
    Just another variable to the mix of combat I suppose.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Spurgun on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:58 pm

    @Yarxov. Lol. We have the right to be here too silly
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:58 pm

    Spurgun wrote:
    Serious_Much wrote:They're probably glitchers who use 99 divine blessings... :|

    Hey, i am one of those glitchers. But i only use the DBs when i get ganked or the other heals first.

    You still should use humanity, at least use something you CAN have more than like 5 of in a playthrough rather than 99 glitched and ******** Divine blessings.. Unless you're done 20 playthroughs with one character, if so I'll shut up winking


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Spurgun on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:06 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:
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    Serious_Much wrote:They're probably glitchers who use 99 divine blessings... :|

    Hey, i am one of those glitchers. But i only use the DBs when i get ganked or the other heals first.

    You still should use humanity, at least use something you CAN have more than like 5 of in a playthrough rather than 99 glitched and ******** Divine blessings.. Unless you're done 20 playthroughs with one character, if so I'll shut up winking

    I have never done more that 3 playtrhoughs . I could use hum but in a gank i don’t have the time. And if i am fighting someone and he heals then 90% of the time he uses DBs, so why should i limit myself?
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:14 pm

    Because you're not a cheating *** hole? Because you can win with skill, not glitches? silly



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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Spurgun on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:16 pm

    Lol. I wouldn’t call myself a cheating *** hole. But they are useful.
    So you’re saying i should use hum instead? Might give it a try.
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Yarxov on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:20 pm

    I refuse to farm humanity so I ran out, no heals is even better silly


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Turin on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:39 pm

    Yarxov wrote:Lots of Finnish players on the forum I see silly
    But It doesnt matter what he meant, the point is clear, people using Heals in a duel isnt fair.
    And DBs are awful, fastest heals in game.
    First of all, I did not mean to start a nick-nack. 2) cant remember, did i invade, or did someone invade me. 3) Yarx said it. Using healing methods during fight, my opinion, isnt fair.
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Azran on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:42 pm

    If both sides can heal, I don't see what's the issue. It's a game happening on the internet, it's a lawless zone out there. silly

    I agree with the Use Humanity! thing if you are an invader. No one can assure you the host won't heal when he's about to die.

    As always, though, this is a discussion about honour inside a videogame. It's not like we are cyber bullying the other guy.
    So there isn't much to discuss in my opinion, we all have our preferences.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:53 pm

    Invaders can't down Estus Flasks

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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Yarxov on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:03 pm


    We've been over this. silly


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:07 pm

    What Az said. This topic has been broached in every way before, and it won't be the last. Bottom line is, (especially when invading is concerned) there are no rules. Some people, like me, will play by self-imposed rules such as no healing/ no backstabbing. Others will just do whatever it takes to win, and that's not against the game's rules or its spirit. Nothing says invaders are supposed to give or get a fair fight. All you can do is play how you want, and let the rest slide.

    When dueling is concerned, though, then there are rules people are supposed to follow. No healing is pretty much the only universal one in everyone's unwritten rules. I've had a few would-be duelers humanity heal during a duel in the Burg today, yes it was cowardly of them, but they died anyways... Just made their loss shameful, if you ask me!

    Anyways, bottom line is there are no rules, so getting upset about people acting accordingly is just going to make you mad unnecessarily.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Ecko on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:26 pm

    Yeah, the way I see it is that since there's no way to tell if the host will try healing or not then I see no reason to risk my time and give him a "fair" fight. Most of the time the host has a white phantom with him anyway or is a master of the chain/roll backstab so he ends up having the clear advantage over me anyway even without healing.

    I've never been in a proper duel, but if I was then I'd respect the rules of honor for sure. Invading is free game however.

    Though I don't think I'd ever use the BB glitch. Not even talking about PVP here, I just don't think I'd ever use it period. Feels like cheating, especially in this kind of game.
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:48 pm

    Bah, depends what you use the BB glitch for. I've used it to great effect for research purposes. Being able to have all the catalysts in the game on a character at base level, along with enough hard souls to level him up to 50 right away is the only reason I compiled all the Mag Adjust values at every Int level. There's no way I'd have bothered doing it the long way! And if it's not for research, I just use it to save some time when making new dueling builds. After the amount of times I've beaten the game, I don't think it's bad of me to take a few shortcuts!

    I'll concede that it's brought about some problems to the online game, too. Low level griefers and people who have way more of a certain item than they should is problematic, I agree. But that reflects on the person that used the glitch, not the glitch itself. What I'm trying to say is the BB glitch can be used in good, or at least not bad, ways. Just because some people with no morals use it for bad purposes doesn't mean you shouldn't use it, if your intentions are different.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Owl on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:50 pm

    I would say ALMOST anything is fair game as an invader.

    I invaded the forest once and the guy gestured at me. I gestured back. Then I cast CMSS. Then he gestures to me AGAIN. CMSS is flying into his bowing head and almost like it was in slow motion I'm like "OH GOSH WHAT HAVE I DONE?!" Dude get's nuked. I feel terrible but just letting him kill me goes against my survival instinct so I begrudgingly finish him off (dude was done anyway).

    I get a message that just reads "Not cool." I send an overly elaborate voice message apologizing for what just happened. The end. This is my case study in how not EVERYTHING is cool in an invasion scenario.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Azran on Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:02 pm

    I agree with Blaine. The "heck no, game. I already bothered doing this too many times, let me have this one pleasure" aspect of the BB glitch is, in my opinion, the only good use one can get out of it. After all, if it helps you enjoy your playthrough, you may as well do.


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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Ecko on Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:11 pm

    Oh, honestly I didn't think of that kind of use. When I hear of the BB glitch I just think of the people who use it to grab themselves full Havel's and 99 Divine Blessings at level 20 and then invade me in the depths.

    Yes that pretty much happened once.
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    Re: Bunch of cowards...

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:23 pm

    Oh god how did this turn into an honour thread? :|

    ...I blame emergence lol!


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