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    Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by Fearz on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:24 am

    Hey guys,

    I played about ~80 hours of Dark Souls upon release

    Since then University and girlfriends have gotten in the way of gaming. With the EPIC disappointment

    of Diablo 3 I feel there is a void that needs to be filled.

    When I stopped playing there was talk of nerfing alot of items and builds, and buffing others.

    I was wondering if some kind soul could point me in the direction of a few builds or just some general advice

    (Im about to roll a new character, back in release days - Pyro was undisputed #1, Has this changed?)

    Thanks
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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by Reaperfan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:46 am

    We've had one patch since release, patch 1.05. You can find the changes it brought to the game here, just scroll down a bit to 1.05 and hit "show notes." The most significant changes though involve merchants selling more items, enemies dropping more souls, pyro getting slightly nerfed so that it's not quite as broken, and Tranquil Walk of Peace, the Ring of Fog, and the Crystal Ring Shield getting nerfed into near unusability.

    As to builds that are being used right now, dexterity builds are very popular. With lag still being such a big influence on PvP, having fast weapons to hit your opponents through lag before they dodge and not leaving yourself open to lag-induced-backstabs is very important. Faith builds are also very popular, mostly because Wrath of the Gods is such a powerful and useful spell, while also combining very well with the aforementioned Dexterity builds to use the weapon-buffing miracles on the relatively weak Dexterity weapons. Most builds are still powerful and viable though, and you can do just about anything effectively. There's very few builds I would call underpowered right now (though a few are overused IMHO winking).


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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by Fearz on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:51 am

    Thanks alot for the response

    I'll skim over the patch notes now.

    I remember Dex builds being pretty obsolete before due to poor scaling on most weapons, what has changed?

    I see lag is still a problem in PvP, lag backstabs were just getting popular when I stopped playing.

    I'm glad they fixed Ring of Fog, that was pretty broken.

    Did they fix the soul fam glitch in the forest by any chance?
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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by Reaperfan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:02 am

    Fearz wrote:Thanks alot for the response

    I'll skim over the patch notes now.

    I remember Dex builds being pretty obsolete before due to poor scaling on most weapons, what has changed?

    Did they fix the soul fam glitch in the forest by any chance?

    You're welcome, and since I didn't say it before, welcome back! You'll read this in the patch notes, but scaling was buffed pretty significantly, putting Dex weapons back on the map. As to the forest NPC farming, they didn't really fix it as much as not touch it at all. Unlike other enemies, they didn't buff the amount of souls the Forest NPCs dropped, so in the grand scheme of things it became a much less efficient way to farm, even though it's just as exploitable as before. Now we have Painted World Phalanx farming winking


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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:39 am

    I would point out that ring of fog still has its uses. watch out for hosts who put it on and hide if you are of the invading persuasion! silly


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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by Fearz on Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:55 am

    Rung the First bell

    Farmed about 30k souls.

    Should I open the forrest to farm more souls/armor

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    Finish off Butcher/Gaping dragon first?

    Any thoughts?

    also, at what dex lvl does pharis' bow scale better (30+?) than your average upgraded long bow?
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    Post by TheBigLebowski on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:10 am

    Fearz wrote:

    Since then University and girlfriends have gotten in the way of gaming.

    Lol, lucky me; my girlfriend plays Dark Souls with me, even better big grin

    Do u have the mystery key?

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    Post by User on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:11 am

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    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:52 am

    I wouldn't bother ever killing gaping personally. just chop his tail and steal the armour set. no point killing bosses you dont need too happy


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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by Reaperfan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:04 am

    dancash1808 wrote:I wouldn't bother ever killing gaping personally. just chop his tail and steal the armour set. no point killing bosses you dont need too happy

    If you're gonna go all the way to the boss chamber to loot the place, you may as well kill the enemy worth tens of thousands of souls that's in there as well lol!


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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:12 am

    but then you cant get invaded there, which makes humanity and EoD farming quicker and much more fun... I dont kill taurus either 8) griefer's beware


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    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:57 pm

    dancash1808 wrote:I would point out that ring of fog still has its uses. watch out for hosts who put it on and hide if you are of the invading persuasion! silly
    My forest hunter does this if there are any unwanted DW/DM invaders while im helping the cause. Just let them run by and whack them in the back. Its dirty but its also the forest.


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    Re: Hey Guys, Old Veteran Returning - Need Help

    Post by billy_bayonet on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:00 pm

    if you farm in the forest for the love of good do it hollow!


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    Post by Yarxov on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:01 pm

    I don't farm, I invade silly
    Thats what I started doing once I got sick of invaders.


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    Post by billy_bayonet on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:03 pm

    the op was on about farming the npc's in the forest if hes only just returned.......he will not like what the forest has become!


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    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:06 pm

    The forest turned dark fairly early... he probably knows.
    and you dont need to be in human form to farm them.
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    Post by billy_bayonet on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:08 pm

    the forest was fine when i first got the game on release day its only in the last 3 months its turned into the training area it is now lol


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    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:09 pm

    Meh, its not much worse than it was in january in my experience. then again we are on different networks.


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    Post by billy_bayonet on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:13 pm

    i love the forest now its where i test all my builds


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    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:16 pm

    Damn right! big grin


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    Post by Extertionist on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:01 pm

    One thing that wasn't mentioned here that you should know. Humanity and homeward bones are much easier to get and have a significantly higher drop rate from bosses, also, you get souls a higher rate in general now, like the hellkite bridge farming used to give you around 300, well now it gives 500.


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    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:03 pm

    Reaperfan wrote: Unlike other enemies, they didn't buff the amount of souls the Forest NPCs dropped, so in the grand scheme of things it became a much less efficient way to farm, even though it's just as exploitable as before. Now we have Painted World Phalanx farming winking

    It was mentioned if not explicitly stated but the homewards and humanity was a very good catch, thanks also item discovery and chaos damage caps at 10
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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:24 pm

    Extertionist wrote:One thing that wasn't mentioned here that you should know. Humanity and homeward bones are much easier to get and have a significantly higher drop rate from bosses, also, you get souls a higher rate in general now, like the hellkite bridge farming used to give you around 300, well now it gives 500.
    I believe it's because they added the fact that if you overkill an enemy, you get 50% more souls. So the bridge wyvern overkills the hollow, thus giving you 555 souls.


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    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:36 pm

    Overkills remain the same joe and its 20% however normal hollow soldiers were increased from 50 to 80 and spear soldier were increased from 50 to 100 (I believe these values are correct)


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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:39 pm

    dancash1808 wrote:Overkills remain the same joe and its 20% however normal hollow soldiers were increased from 50 to 80 and spear soldier were increased from 50 to 100 (I believe these values are correct)
    Ahh. I thought that was the addition. I don't remember how much souls they used to give, and I don't remember the whole overkill thing back in the day. So, I thought it was new.


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