Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

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    Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by Motopsycho on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:33 am

    I keep getting messages about how non-manly it is to poke with the estoc. Like a lot today, and Idk, i never thought the Estoc was a cheap weapon, like say.. BKGA.

    I mean i get way too much hate mail, about flipping ninja ring, or havels armor, great club, poison washing pole. And Im hosting in the burg, so i think fine, suppose to be a place where you face less the gankers, and duel more, overall more fun.

    So I change equipment, for these dudes. Now I run in light gear, no flip ring, no katanas. Just Estocs.
    But the mail just doesn't stop.

    Is there anyway to please these people? Shrug


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:38 am

    There isn't. Move on. Some people don't like rapier/spear turtlers, but there are "some people" who dislike everything so don't worry about it too much.

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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by mugenis4real on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:43 am

    NERF NERF NERF NERF OP OP OP OP OP OP

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    Post by DamageCK on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:58 am

    Nah, dude. It can be frustrating to play against people who turtle with rapiers, but it's not as though there's no way to counter it. Do your thing, man. A lot of people just don't like to lose.


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    Post by WyrmHero on Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:19 am

    What Damage said.


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by bloodpixel on Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:58 am

    Doesn't matter, Ricard's is 100x better.


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by WyrmHero on Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:12 am

    Yeah, it's classy too, so it's obviously better, duh hello.


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    Post by nsane32 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:28 am

    people complain about everything in sight and when they lose at something it just get worst every tactic except for ganking and lag stabs. its fine just have fun and ignore them


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    Post by Extertionist on Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:29 am

    lol, I never get hate mail and I use a giants halberd.


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by dancash1808 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:08 am

    thats because giants leaves you wide open winking dodge and decapitate big grin
    Really you dont need to shield and poke with a rapier. I quite like running poke and ending up past them. it gets them really frustrated after about the third pass. and that leads to mistakes in my experience happy


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by billy_bayonet on Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:22 am

    if you get hate mail just see it as a little bit extra on top of your victory, so long as your not bs fishing or acting like a total arse theres nothing wrong with any tactics really, some people just cant stand to loose im pretty suire if you used a cestus on this guy and beat him he would cry about that too, dont let such fleeting thigns bother you my freind


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:18 am

    The only tactic I hate about rapiers is the turtling. Other than that, you have a weak weapon, a really weak weapon. But, if you parry . . . .

    It's all a trade off. In all this time you're poking, you better not get hit too often, or else you're dead.


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by Majikero07 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:25 am

    What's the problem with rapier turtling? It's weak, it's short, quite frankly everything about it is weak except for it's critical attacks. On the plus side, the normal attacks are so elegant and classy.
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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:38 am

    Majikero07 wrote:What's the problem with rapier turtling? It's weak, it's short, quite frankly everything about it is weak except for it's critical attacks. On the plus side, the normal attacks are so elegant and classy.

    I personally don't have a problem with it. I don't like it with spears though, staying behind your shield poking across the level with the spear's range is some bull. The rapier, on the other hand, is short doesn't bother me too much. If anything, I'd say people don't like it because they have to wait longer to get to their opponent, people will always want to delve into the action as quickly as possible, and, turtling, by its very nature, precludes one from doing so.


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by Majikero07 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:44 am

    I just hurl fireballs on my pyro or soul spear on my mage or use force on my faith build. Having something to smash through a shield is always good.
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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by Motopsycho on Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:31 pm

    Haha I turtle at the start of the matches, because every invader buffs with DMB, so.. it's safer, and makes them back off a little. Once the buff goes away, i go more on the offensive. It's actually a lot of fun this way.

    I just wish the Estoc would have a higher critical %, instead of the common 100. ):


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:57 pm

    I parry A LOT of players who buff. When they're on a time limit, they WILL be aggressive. Hell, half the time you can parry the very first swing. They buff and usually immediately start rushing in to swing. It's probably the easiest situation to blind parry because the probability that that will attack is so high. Try it.


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    Post by Motopsycho on Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:03 pm

    Hmm that makes sense...
    I'll need a bit of poise though, just in case.
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    Post by billy_bayonet on Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:05 pm

    i find having no poise is best forces you to learn how to dodge,


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    Post by DamageCK on Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:09 pm

    Yeah, you'll eat some hits doing it, but it's still worth it. And if you don't want to go for the first one, just dodge a few times to make sure theyre going to attack. Pick up on their rhythm and it's done. Easy, easy parry.


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    Post by DamageCK on Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:11 pm

    billy_bayonet wrote:i find having no poise is best forces you to learn how to dodge,

    That's what I've been doing on the new build. Seem to play a lot more intelligently knowing I can't just shrug off hits.


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    Re: Is the Estoc a cheap weapon / tactic for pvp?

    Post by martyrsbrigade99 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:18 pm

    Motopsycho wrote:I keep getting messages about how non-manly it is to poke with the estoc. Like a lot today, and Idk, i never thought the Estoc was a cheap weapon, like say.. BKGA.

    I mean i get way too much hate mail, about flipping ninja ring, or havels armor, great club, poison washing pole. And Im hosting in the burg, so i think fine, suppose to be a place where you face less the gankers, and duel more, overall more fun.

    So I change equipment, for these dudes. Now I run in light gear, no flip ring, no katanas. Just Estocs.
    But the mail just doesn't stop.

    Is there anyway to please these people?



    All of this action was done with the Estoc. You tell me if this looks "manly" or not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQJNv7ekl7Q
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    Post by martyrsbrigade99 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:20 pm

    mugenis4real wrote:NERF NERF NERF NERF OP OP OP OP OP OP

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    How are Estocs overpowered when there critical stat is 100 like most weapons in the game. Secondly, how is it overpowered when its regular R1/R2 attackst only inflict about 250?
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    Post by DamageCK on Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:23 pm

    He's joking.


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