You know Solaire... right?

I think Solaire is a follower of the first born and is on a quest to find him or become as much like him as he can. I think this fits with him being from a different land, having hand painted armor and his dialogue especially the line he says about finding his sun when you kill him. He just comes off as an impersonator or wanna be to me.

DoughGuy wrote:

Baldor Ostarv wrote:Solaire may be the First-Born. First of all, Solaire sounds a lot like Solar, which is a reference to the sun.

A lot of people may question how it is possible that a deity can become a mortal, but I believe it lies in the sunlight coins. Gwyn may have done what he did when he split his soul and lost most of his power. Gwyn punished Solaire by possibly splitting his power and embedding them within the coins. Solaire, trying to regain the sun that was rightfully his, ventures to Lordran in search of them. The Undead, being his allies, would help him in his search of the coins and then offer them to his destroyed statue and possibly help him little by little regain his lost power.

The ability to watch over his warriors may be due to his soul in the coins, who are always with the players until we offer them to his statue. And his incredible strength and durability reminds me of Gwyn after linking the fire. Despite the fact that he is merely a shell he retains his great strength and even then his soul still holds enourmous power. Although that still raises the question of why Solaire is so short. Perhaps Gwyn split his souls in a way that he would remain a deity, whereas Solaire was stripped of his status, with his power scattered onto countless coins (with the likelyhood of never finding them all), had everything about him erased (except the coins) and forced to live as a human. The amount of coins equalling the amount of followers he had as the God of War, which may have been millions or more.

My thoughts are kinda jumbled, so most of what I wanted to say has just been forgotten.

The thing is this argument doesnt prove its solaire at all. The same argument could be made for Andre or Seigemeyer.

Well, it's only a theory anyhow.

I just find it too convenient that he knew about the time-loop and how it works as well as the location of the covenant (Sunbro) statue. And I honestly don't see how either Andre or Seigmeyer would fit in. Neither of them make or even have a reference to the sun. That might be too convenient as well that they don't while Solaire does but that's how I see it.

"The sun is a wonderous body. Like a magneficent father!", this quote from Solaire when you first meet him also brought my attention to his actual origin. While it doesn't prove anything, I know not what else to make of it. Possibly a metaphor, or a sly hint?

Solaire knows the statues location because he is a sunbro from the beginning. Andre and siege are both men who believe in the strength of their arms, only using weapons, not miracles. Solaire makes reference to his sun because that is what he is searching for and it is what he believes in. He is a strong follower of Gwyn to if I emember correctly, something the son is unlikely to be.

Well, there goes that theory.

^Its not over yet, I doubt we'll ever know who the son is. Solaire is still a candidate.

Okay, then I will say this: True that the son would not be a follower of Gwyn, but perhaps that is a ruse, or maybe he has seen the errors of his ways when he was stripped of Godhood and cast into the world as a human. He may have learned some things from them and in some way is thankful to Gwyn, despite the harshness of the punishment.

I say it's a ruse for one reason; the undead can help Solaire by faking his identity as a normal human so that he may gain his revenge against Gwyn or regain his rightful place as the God of War by finding his sun. Although...that still doesn't explain why the sun maggot is his happier ending.

The master behind the lore of Dark Souls just makes it up as he goes anyway. He'd probably shrug and say something along the lines of, "Sure, why not" or something like that.

My reasoning behind him disliking Gwyn is that the god of war i the pygmy, the dakr lord. He would want Gwyn dead so the fire would go out. Guess who links with the fire in their world if you keep him alive till Gwyn is dead.

I suspected that he simply wanted to find his own sun. It's not as if everyone knew what would happen if the Fire was linked once again. All we knew if we hadn't talked to Frampt or Kaathe was that we simply trudged through the game not knowing our purpose. At least, that's how it was for me.

Im still thinking the first born is in a hidden tomb...

DoughGuy wrote:My reasoning behind him disliking Gwyn is that the god of war i the pygmy, the dakr lord. He would want Gwyn dead so the fire would go out. Guess who links with the fire in their world if you keep him alive till Gwyn is dead.

I thought the Pygmy was instead the undead curse incarnate. Where is the God of War ever stated as being the Pygmy?

In my opinion he cannot be the pygmy because the pygmy was THERE when they first defeated the dragons, he was one of the first of the lords. Unless gwyn already had a son at that point, but it doesn't seem to suggest that. Perhaps if there was evidence that the god of war had been afflicted with the darksign I could agree, but Personally I just can't accept him as the pygmy without more evidence.

Why wouldnt the god of war have been around? Thres no evidence for or against it. And now to go dive into Acidics thread to find some proof.

Who is this god of war? Many say it is Solaire, who believes in the
concept of the warriors of sunlight. Perhaps. However, the only
connection with him, is that he works for the warriors of sunlight.
However, it seems that the concept of one character has been seemingly
hindered. The Fourth Lord. A Creature who believed in the concept of the
Age of Darkness, and believed in the concept of the fires dying out, so
that man can strive (as the serpent of the abyss says). However, this
Dark Lord does not seem to have the same concept of the Darkwraiths.
Rather, he seems to have none at all. Gwyn, who also realized what it
will turn out to be, tried to repel it by lighting the flame with the
remain piece of his soul he once had, afraid as of what the outcome of
the age of darkness might lead. Reasonable, since the Age of Ancients
only means of light was the sun, and the world was the domain of the
Dragons (or nature, if you prefer). The only thing we know about this
Dark Lord, is that he is a Furtive Pygmy. Small, and Hidden. Small, and
Mysterious. The outcome of the Pygmy is not said by the serpent of the
abyss at all. However, the ring and the miracle that lays in the grave
of Gwyn, the Domain of the Dark Sun, has some hints. This God of War is
the God of War, because he had caused a conflict of Darkness and Fire.
He left, after mourning for his father, by leaving the miracle of the
Sun, the striving force of survival for Humanity during the Age of
Ancients. The Firekeeper and the Infant is seen beside the alter of the
warrior of sunlight, being smashed and destroyed from any to lay their
eyes on to piece it towards the true form of the God of War. The Alter
for the Firekeeper in the undead church is the hint not only with the
soul, but also with the pendant that is laid at the alter. A pendant
with a similar concept for the sunlight medallions for the Warriors of
Sunlight. I do not know what the name of the Dark Lord, nor the God of
War, truly is. However, I know that they are both connected, both being
mysteriously unknown, and the concept of them is small. A creature who
bieleives in the aura of the sunlight, but also the concept the the
distinguish of the flame. The small, mysterious infant cradled by the
Statues of the Maidens, the fire keeper.

The Dark Lord is the God of War. The Son of Gwyn. The Furtive Pygmy.

Damn, you're fast, I was just about to edit my post after reading more of page 2 haha.

I am not trying to bolster Solaire as the Son of Gwyn but when they say strong of arm doesn't that still apply to him? When you look at his sword it says its just an ordinary weapon, and it was instead the strength within solaire that made him such a strong fighter, implying he had strength of arm. This is never implied when looking at either of the two other popular candidates Sieg and Andre, although they are strong of arm in their own manner. Just a thought reading over that for me.

And I'm off leave me something tasty to read when I get back dough.

EDIT: DAMN you're fast, I'll read that when I get home from work.

Well he's gwyns child dough, and gwyn was made a god by his lord soul. So his son must have been born afterwards for him to have the status.

Dont know if I can, I've had this argument so many times lol.
The strength in his arm thing doesnt work for solaire due to his use of the lightning spears. They are not based on physical strength but faith, something which the god of war may not have had a lot of. Why he gives it to his followers is unknown however Solaire having it proves he is a sunbro, not the GoW (IMO). All I got for now, I'll post stuff as I remember it.

@Eolan are you sure? How do you explain Flann? He's a god without a lord soul as is Gwyndolin. I prefer Wyrm/Skare's theory that the 3 fire lord souls were given to the 3 races, gods (Gwyn), the dead (Nito) and chaos demons (the witch).

The 4th souls was humanity, and was given to one of the gods making them mortal.

I thought the chaos demons were born after the with received her soul, and were in fact spawned by her attempts to recreate the soul? (Bed of chaos)

Wasn't the reason behind the God of War's power removal because of his foolishness involving a library?

Involving the annals. Im not sure of the wording maybe someone can get it but I believe he lost his status (status not godhood although maybe I've got the wording wrong) when he extinguished the first flame.

Solaire is a dude, and that is the end of the matter.

DoughGuy wrote:Involving the annals. Im not sure of the wording maybe someone can get it but I believe he lost his status (status not godhood although maybe I've got the wording wrong) when he extinguished the first flame.

I still say his mistake with the annals is at least partially what lead to the "time distortion". The annals ARE "records of time", and we have already seen other mundane items that have magical strength (I'm looking at those bells!).

And so it was.

Solaire= Sol-aire = Sole heir = Heir of the Sun

Again i think thats the joke. I'm with epic name bro on this stuff man...

Whats ENB say about it?

Looking at it now.