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    Backstab...

    Post by Tarkkus on Mon May 28, 2012 11:22 pm

    So I was PvPing and then I thought, I wonder what other peoples opinions are about backstab. So yeah what's your opinion on backstab mine is it's okay as long as it's not while I'm rolling and when I lag.


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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon May 28, 2012 11:25 pm

    This will probably not end well so lets try to keep it civil please.
    It only annoys me when its from lag or someone bows then does it. Most time snow I can punish anyone who fishes. However personally I never do it (unless they chug) as I prefer the longer fights.


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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by Imarreteet23 on Mon May 28, 2012 11:31 pm

    I used to be pissed when I got lagstabbed, until I realised that to them, it just looks like a regular backstab, and the lag part isn't their fault at all. After that, I was largely fine with them. I don't really use them myself to often though. It's not an honor thing, I just suck at them.


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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Mon May 28, 2012 11:36 pm

    How do you judge what is or isn't lag? To one person the game couldn't be running more smoothly, and to the other it could just be a teleport-athon. So it's not always so easy to tell, which is why a lot of people dislike backstabs regardless of the situation.

    Personally, I don't mind them to much I just don't like when I get lagstabbed then have to read a bunch of junk over XBL. That annoys the **** out of me.

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    Post by DoughGuy on Mon May 28, 2012 11:40 pm

    I judge lag by when people suddenly teleport behind me. I just get annoyed Im cheated out of a fight.


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    Post by Delvanoc on Mon May 28, 2012 11:43 pm

    Yeah, I am completely cool (usually) with a bs. Imho, it is part of the game. I swing a big sword, there has to be a punishment for this when I miss. If you aren't "fishing" for a bs and it's a legitimate bs, then I shrug and consider it my mistake for allowing you at my back.


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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Mon May 28, 2012 11:45 pm

    Shrug


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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by DamageCK on Mon May 28, 2012 11:50 pm

    Doesn't bother me. I get caught by the occasional chain BS, but I'm not really bothered by that anymore either. All in all, it's fairly easy to avoid anyway.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue May 29, 2012 12:09 am

    No problem with bsing. Problems with lag, but not bsing.


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    Post by Extertionist on Tue May 29, 2012 12:14 am

    As long as it's not used in a gank, used with lag (total b***s**t), and as long as it's not my opponents only tactic, I'm okay with it. Basically as long as they're fighting with other tactics and not abusing the power of BSing.


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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Tue May 29, 2012 12:22 am

    I just started doing some real invading in PvPing, and I heard the burg is a great place to invade, which it is. people bow, and they do backstab, but NO fishing at all. It's just stuff like punishing me if I time a firestorm wrong, or perhaps some crazy lag, but I don't usually see that too much since I keep my distance with my fire g.halberd and artillery of pyromancy. I don't even care if they fish. I'm disappointed the fight didn't get to go longer, but they did a good move, and I respect them for it. 'Tis why I'm going to make a FC character sometime soon.

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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by Tolvo on Tue May 29, 2012 12:37 am

    I'm fine with backstabs, I just hate how the connection can really make or break a backstab.

    So my problem isn't with backstabs, just lag. sad
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    Post by WyrmHero on Tue May 29, 2012 12:40 am

    I sometimes get annoyed by roll backstab. That's my greatest weakness. It's the best move against Str weapons, which are my favorites. And the thing is I can't seem to connect one, mostly because I like my fighting style, which doesn't rely on backstabs for the win. I'm usually countering backstab fishers and I'm a very offensive fighter so I guess that's why I get so much roll backstab.


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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue May 29, 2012 12:51 am

    Fight lock off. Its way harder to back stab the big slow weapon when you pivot so hit them anyways while keeping your back safe.


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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Tue May 29, 2012 7:04 pm

    i just hate when you back peddle and as your doing that you see your opponent circle something in front of you. then we all know what happens after that. also when two people with dwgr on just start having a cart wheel fight and with all that happening sometimes backstabs just happen.

    i dont think backstabs break pvp like most people but i do think they need a major improvement. exp the whole grab part of it. it makes using str weapons and fishing for bs a very very viable tactic. when their normal attacks are amazingly slow they can backstab you in half a second. also why is the hit box for backstabs more on the side of the person then their exact back, i have never understood this.
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    Post by dancash1808 on Tue May 29, 2012 7:12 pm

    I quite like backstabs. I dont actively seek them in a normal battle but without them I dont know how I would deal with a host who tries to sprint away and flask!


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    Re: Backstab...

    Post by dwx on Tue May 29, 2012 7:20 pm

    I'm not a fan of backstabs in general just because there are a ton of players which just fish for them, but I understand it's a part of the game. I use a low poise character with a rapier sometimes and you run up against a lot of high poise players with big weapons who just run through shots to BS you. There are just a ton of people out there with the same exact builds and BS is a big part of that.

    I don't think large weapons should be able to BS someone with an instant hit of R1. It's not like in a normal swing a BKGA swing is as fast as smaller weapons...but I understand the dynamics of network latency and whatnot and being able to detect those windows. I wouldn't be sad if they took BS out of the game completely for PvP, it would honestly make the game much better imho.



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    Post by RANT on Tue May 29, 2012 7:20 pm

    Imarreteet23 wrote:I used to be pissed when I got lagstabbed, until I realised that to them, it just looks like a regular backstab, and the lag part isn't their fault at all. After that, I was largely fine with them. I don't really use them myself to often though. It's not an honor thing, I just suck at them.

    this. theres always lag, somtimes is bad sometimes is worse, specially with roll bs, you always see them start the rolling animation then all of a sudden they teleport to your back and bs your ***, its the reason i dont bs unless they bs me, lag breaks backstabs, if there was a way to get rid of lag it would be cool.


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    Post by Mustaklaki on Tue May 29, 2012 8:45 pm

    They really weren't thinking right when they implemented the Hornets Ring and Backstabs being the exact same from a Dagger and a Ultra Greatsword.

    Hitbox should be incredibly smaller for any heavy weapon backstabs, and hornet's ring damage reduced for those.

    Hell, the Bandit's Knife w/ Hornets doesn't outdamage a BKGA with Hornets, and a BKGA is a lot more useful in other combat (and a lot more nooby to use)
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue May 29, 2012 8:50 pm

    Mustaklaki wrote:They really weren't thinking right when they implemented the Hornets Ring and Backstabs being the exact same from a Dagger and a Ultra Greatsword.

    Hitbox should be incredibly smaller for any heavy weapon backstabs, and hornet's ring damage reduced for those.

    Hell, the Bandit's Knife w/ Hornets doesn't outdamage a BKGA with Hornets, and a BKGA is a lot more useful in other combat (and a lot more nooby to use)

    While this game does definitely have balance issues, you might wish to read this.

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    Post by Serious_Much on Tue May 29, 2012 8:55 pm

    Pirate, that is the most shameless plug I've ever seen on the forum lol!

    But I dislike BS overall. As a principle of punishment for big mistakes, I like them. However, the problem for me is when they translate into online play, BS fishing can ruin enjoyment of a duel, but also the biggest problem is lag, you can BS'd and on your screen it is NEVER a BS, but on theirs it was perfectly executed..

    Lag means BS are too easy to execute and with all the silly techniques people focus on perfecting to get those easy kills, it just means the BS mechanic is virtually broken and highly abused by most, if not all players. It's not even like you have to try to abuse the lag when you BS, it just happens, that's why I think it's broken.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue May 29, 2012 8:58 pm

    Yep. I'm not above self promoting a thread thats been near the top for a week now. Shameless in that respect, I admit. I am actually trying to help though. I ignore big threads all the time, others do the same I'm sure.


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    Post by Serious_Much on Tue May 29, 2012 9:00 pm

    I just found it funny the way you just put it in so casually silly


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    A shameless plug off is it? That's a fine picture, worthy of the museum of souls perhaps.

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    Post by Serious_Much on Tue May 29, 2012 9:05 pm

    Wow guys, this is going really off topic now, you should probably talk about it in the Random off-topic thread in the off topic section of the forum.

    If that wasn't clear enough for you, here's a link for you all to use: http://soulswiki.forumsrpg.com/t6135p315-random-off-topic

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