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    Post by Eolan Wed May 23, 2012 11:28 am

    So it just occured to me that the pisacas have a similar aesthetic. They have a reptilian tail but a "squiddish" upper half. Priscilla is the daughter of seath, and the pisacas are his creation through the experimental crossbreeding of maidens.

    Priscilla and gwyndolin are brother and sister and both are deformed. So im throwing this speculation out there in the hope of being corrected so please feel free...

    Is gwyndolin also a crossbreed?

    Is it possible that seath loved priscilla (his air and the evolution of his species) but she was banished to the painted world against his will by gwyn?

    Did seaths grief lead him (in his later madness) to attempt to recreate her? Resulting in abomination after abomination?

    Perhaps the grand dispute in anor londo, was that seath and Gwynevere were unfaithful to gwyn more than once!

    Breeding two children, the second one kept out of sight of gwyn? Raised as a girl to obscure the truth and tentacles kept concealed beneath a dress? Considering the banishment of his older sister it'd make sense to keep his lineage a secret.

    The revelation of which eventually fracturing the family, and leading to gwynevere's exodus?

    Madness i know. But i keep thinking the root of most of the games big evils is an obscured sadness within them, that results in the player feeling guilty for smiting them so venomously.

    I apologise if it all sounds a bit "eastenders:monsters and myths"


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    Post by Argetlam350 Wed May 23, 2012 11:39 am

    Well despite it being an interesting speculation really I don't believe Gywnevere and Seath did anything together. After all, remember Gywn is no where near the size of Seath, and neither is Gywndolin so thus the illusion of Gywnevere is more of a large rendering of who she was. More then likely she was the same size as her father and brother. And yes I believe Gywndolin is Gywn's son not a child from Seath and Gywnevere, he was just born with the powers of the moon and deformed. Priscilla I feel was more of one of Seath's experiments that he managed to not make into a pisacas which gave him some fondness for her before he went insane in his research. How she got to the painted world I have no idea but I just don't see any correlation of Gywnevere and Seath being together except that the illusion makes her look huge when probably in reality if the character ever met her she would probably be the same size as her father and brothers.
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    Post by Eolan Wed May 23, 2012 11:49 am

    Theres quite allot of suggestion that crossbreed priscilla is seaths daughter.

    Allot of the characters in lordran are representations of themselves, the reality of everything is probably quite a bit more sensible. Either way dont let the ickiness of something dissuade you happy
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    Post by skarekrow13 Wed May 23, 2012 11:58 am

    I think it's his daughter but it's probable that there was some artificial means to it. "Crossbreed" indicates parents of two species and there's tons of dragon links to Priscilla as well as her godlike powers. I do see a possible similarity to pisacas and 'dolin but not sold on any one connection. It could be Seath did something to him but I also theorized that he was raised as a daughter because dresses hide his lower body better. So there's some options on what the tentacles mean.
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    Post by Eolan Wed May 23, 2012 12:07 pm

    skarekrow13 wrote:I think it's his daughter but it's probable that there was some artificial means to it. "Crossbreed" indicates parents of two species and there's tons of dragon links to Priscilla as well as her godlike powers. I do see a possible similarity to pisacas and 'dolin but not sold on any one connection. It could be Seath did something to him but I also theorized that he was raised as a daughter because dresses hide his lower body better. So there's some options on what the tentacles mean.


    With the skirt thats my thinking, its all a parable to me anyway so scale and species etc could be a larger metaphor.

    Seaths research was largely selfish, and had allot to do with experimenting with crystals to develop his own scales. The pisacas are not crystalline...

    It makes me think that his grand tragedy is the loss of his daughter...
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    Post by billy_bayonet Wed May 23, 2012 5:22 pm

    um im a little confused how priscilla and gwynodlin are brothers and sister? cause that would make gwyn her father, unless ive lost something?
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    Post by WyrmHero Wed May 23, 2012 5:54 pm

    Some of us believe that Velka was Gwyn's wife, but she cheated him with Seath, thus Priscilla being born. Crazy theory.
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    Post by billy_bayonet Wed May 23, 2012 5:54 pm

    brain just burst
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    Post by WyrmHero Wed May 23, 2012 6:43 pm

    Yeah, you see, I've made more connections with Velka - Seath than Gwynevere - Seath. We find many things of Velka in Painted World, her powerful miracle, the rapier and Pardoners clothes. She was also a witch goddess and her talisman scales with intelligence. So maybe she fell in love with Seath because he was the genius of the era and a powerful sorcerer. Also Priscilla's Dagger has an occult auxiliary, same as Velka's Rapier.

    Most people believe Priscy's mother to be Gwynevere, just because of her size. Also we know that's just an illusion of her and not the actual size. We could speculate that the Gods could change their size and even their form at will. And with this, I'm beginning to think Velka is the giant crow that takes you to Lordran after you escape the Asylum.
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    Post by Eolan Wed May 23, 2012 8:41 pm

    See the thing is its also quite plausible that the painted world was a prison for things that angered/offended/threatened the gods. Priscilla was an abomination along with all the other things found there.
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    Post by DoughGuy Wed May 23, 2012 9:03 pm

    Its likely that Seth was given Gwyndolin to experiment on due to his being raised as a maiden thus his legs are similar to the piacasas. The things in the p[ainted world are not in a prison, it makes no sense for it to be a prison, why not just excute them. The painted world is an place of exile, where those with nowhere letf to go can run to.
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    Post by WyrmHero Wed May 23, 2012 10:35 pm

    I like the idea of being a prison, with all those cages. Seems they transport failed experiments to there.
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    Post by Sentinel of Lightning Wed May 23, 2012 11:06 pm

    What about ol' Flann? I would think if Seath had his way with Gwynovere, then Flann wouldn't be too happy.
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    Post by Shkar Wed May 23, 2012 11:11 pm

    The odds of Priscilla being Seath's BIOLOGICAL daughter are slim. The simple fact that dragons typically are portrayed as egg-layers would be a decent hint, let alone the fact that Seath has no legs, just tails.
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    Post by Anchises Wed May 23, 2012 11:40 pm

    I think the biggest connection is that both Seath and Gwyndolin utilize the power of the moon, Moonlight Greatsword, Moonlight Butterflies, Moonlight robes...
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    Post by SunlightCrusader Wed May 23, 2012 11:44 pm

    Anchises wrote:I think the biggest connection is that both Seath and Gwyndolin utilize the power of the moon, Moonlight Greatsword, Moonlight Butterflies, Moonlight robes...

    Well Gwyn gave a shard of a Lord Soul to Seath and Gwyndolin is a child of Gwyn and therefore likely represents an aspect of him. Perhaps the shard Gwyn gave Seath simply contained that aspect.
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    Post by Eolan Thu May 24, 2012 5:51 am

    Shkar wrote:The odds of Priscilla being Seath's BIOLOGICAL daughter are slim. The simple fact that dragons typically are portrayed as egg-layers would be a decent hint, let alone the fact that Seath has no legs, just tails.


    As i said its largely a parable, the specific ickiness doesnt matter.
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    Post by Buggy Virus Thu May 24, 2012 9:17 am

    Honestly, this theory having to do with mixing gwyndolin with Seath seems overly convoluted. There is nothing that makes Gwyndolin seem as though he is related to Seath. When you fight this master of illusion you perceive this magical beings feet as tendrils. But once killed you find his hollowed body with his armor on it.

    Nothing points to him being outright a crossbreed. Priscilla for being a crossbreed was banished to the painted world, had Gwyndolin really been a cross breed he certainly wouldn't have been allowed to continue to act as the leader of the darkmoon blades and stick around in anor Londo.

    Really I think there is something to say of Occam Razor.
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    Post by DoughGuy Thu May 24, 2012 9:23 am

    Gwyndolin isnt related to Seath, but he is linked to him thorugh Seath's experiments.
    I dont see that corpse being his. He doesnt seem like he's undead. Besides you kill him, why would his body be somewhere else?
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    Post by Eolan Thu May 24, 2012 9:29 am

    Buggy Virus wrote:Honestly, this theory having to do with mixing gwyndolin with Seath seems overly convoluted. There is nothing that makes Gwyndolin seem as though he is related to Seath. When you fight this master of illusion you perceive this magical beings feet as tendrils. But once killed you find his hollowed body with his armor on it.

    Nothing points to him being outright a crossbreed. Priscilla for being a crossbreed was banished to the painted world, had Gwyndolin really been a cross breed he certainly wouldn't have been allowed to continue to act as the leader of the darkmoon blades and stick around in anor Londo.

    Really I think there is something to say of Occam Razor.


    My suggestion is that he would have been banished if all was right in lordran, but he was kept secret and separate to avoid being banished the same way priscilla was.

    His position in life is self made, without anyone being around to stop him.
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    Post by Buggy Virus Thu May 24, 2012 5:28 pm

    Eolan wrote:
    Buggy Virus wrote:Honestly, this theory having to do with mixing gwyndolin with Seath seems overly convoluted. There is nothing that makes Gwyndolin seem as though he is related to Seath. When you fight this master of illusion you perceive this magical beings feet as tendrils. But once killed you find his hollowed body with his armor on it.

    Nothing points to him being outright a crossbreed. Priscilla for being a crossbreed was banished to the painted world, had Gwyndolin really been a cross breed he certainly wouldn't have been allowed to continue to act as the leader of the darkmoon blades and stick around in anor Londo.

    Really I think there is something to say of Occam Razor.


    My suggestion is that he would have been banished if all was right in lordran, but he was kept secret and separate to avoid being banished the same way priscilla was.

    His position in life is self made, without anyone being around to stop him.

    That was just one point. My main problem with the theory is there is nothing pointing Gwyndolin towards being a crossbreed.

    So the god of illusions' dress has some tendrils coming out of it during a fight, all the while he is teleporting and what not.

    Doesn't exactly scream dragon.
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    Post by Anchises Thu May 24, 2012 11:47 pm

    The difference between him and Priscilla may lie in the fact that he is continuing the legacy and work of the gods of Lordran, while Priscilla's power seems to place her in a position to destroy them, like the player character. The artbook interview stated that she was originally meant to have a larger role in the game as an ally to the player.
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    Post by Eolan Fri May 25, 2012 8:32 am

    The tendrils are the issue. It doesnt scream dragon but look at priscilla, besides the horns and the tail what makes her so "dragon"?

    Gwyndolin wears a mask which could cover up his horns easily. And he has scales. Scale tails. happy

    Btw dont search for priscilla on google you get allot of horrendous heinous "fanart" depicting her conception. Creepy.
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    Post by Buggy Virus Fri May 25, 2012 6:20 pm

    Eolan wrote:The tendrils are the issue. It doesnt scream dragon but look at priscilla, besides the horns and the tail what makes her so "dragon"?

    Gwyndolin wears a mask which could cover up his horns easily. And he has scales. Scale tails. happy

    Btw dont search for priscilla on google you get allot of horrendous heinous "fanart" depicting her conception. Creepy.

    Well she has horns and a tail along with dragon like skin and is called the crossbreed.

    Really Gwyndolin "only" has strange tendrils while you fight him, then you pick his armor off his very normal hollow body after the fight.
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    Post by DoughGuy Fri May 25, 2012 8:54 pm

    ^But why would that hollow body be his? There is no time distortion here as he's from your world and you kill him.

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