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    Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 7:42 pm

    A recent thread made me want to ask this question to the members of this Wiki even more.

    Not too long ago I made a thread asking about the "honor code" people swear to on this game.

    I chaos fireball an invader while they bow. Was it bogus, yes. Am I sorry, no. But nonetheless I got the feedback about the events I wanted.

    But now im to a new topic that im really interested to see what others opinions are.

    I not too long ago farmed in the forest, no ganking at all just me all on my own. A lot of the people that invades me bows to me. I kill them all when they do it be it backstab or pyromancy. I know for a fact it's not wrong of me to do so since if I go by the "honor" rules of this wiki and fight the way the majority wants me to rather than how I want ill get killed. Why will I get killed because honor fights take time with the whole bowing crap and the waiting to let the other buff. During that another invader can easily come in and make the fight become a 2 v 1.

    So I continue killing any invader I see as soon as I am in attacking range. They bow, they make me getting my souls to level up even faster. I then move to the Anor Londo (Dark) and continue the same thing as I did in the forest. I will add that every time I kill someone I drop a prism stone on where they died at. And will do the point down gesture as well.

    So my question is what do the "Honor" pvp people think of this. I haven't broken any rules, I farmed the souls all on my own without any help and did it without glitching or "hacking". Does my play style reflect anything about myself? Does my playstyle mean I don't respect fellow gamers? I seen many people from a previous thread criticize another DkS player because he didn't play the way they wanted him without knowing a thing about him.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue May 22, 2012 7:47 pm

    I'd be a lil mad that you wouldn't just attack me before I go to bowing. However, it's perfectly fine because I know it's a fight. But being a jerk won't exactly help you socially.

    Play as you will, because I have no mercy when honor is thrown away.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue May 22, 2012 7:50 pm

    If you attack me while I bow that's not honorable to me. Not that I bow unless you bow though. But if they are bowing it means they want an honorable duel, if you attack them while they do so and you don't feel bad about it well, that's how you view things.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by Imarreteet23 on Tue May 22, 2012 7:54 pm

    Listen, you're going to get alot of hate on this thread. Not by me, but by somebody else. Do I think that attacking someone else while they bow is wrong? Absolutely. Now, if you were trying to actually finish the level, than that's a whole 'nother ballgame. But since you were in the level for the sheer purpose of PvP, the least you can do is wait for them to finish. Even the Martrys Brigade (whom I am assuming you are referring to) waits for his opponent to bow before starting.

    Note that I am not hating on you, etc. I'm stating my opinion in a way that I hope won't convey too much hard feelings.

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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 7:59 pm

    Imarreteet23 wrote:Listen, you're going to get alot of hate on this thread. Not by me, but by somebody else. Do I think that attacking someone else while they bow is wrong? Absolutely. Now, if you were trying to actually finish the level, than that's a whole 'nother ballgame. But since you were in the level for the sheer purpose of PvP, the least you can do is wait for them to finish. Even the Martrys Brigade (whom I am assuming you are referring to) waits for his opponent to bow before starting.

    Note that I am not hating on you, etc. I'm stating my opinion in a way that I hope won't convey too much hard feelings.

    Off topic, but still: Is that Journey in your sig?! Lets be bestest friends forever!

    I don't mind getting hate, it wont change anything about myself or my opinion.

    But in terms of the bowing part, especially in the forest, you don't partially see my point of view on killing the invaders asap since when there you can get multiple invaders. And some invaders, not all, sometimes likes to play hide and seek till another invader shows to help them out.

    And yeah thats Journey, great game but too short.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by DarkW17 on Tue May 22, 2012 8:00 pm

    People actually bowed to you in the forest? WOW must have been new hunters....you would never catch me bowing to anyone in the forest ever no matter what.

    If someone pulled what you do to me at the kiln I would kill them with no mercy chain BS style every time I see them.

    So basically you bait someone into bowing or wait till they bow then you BS them or throw a fireball at them?

    Sounds a little childish to me but play the game how ever you want to...just remember that every guy that you piss off is going to remember you...and the next time he invades you he will kill you with the cheapest dirtiest tricks he can.

    I play the game with honour so than when I invade the same guy he remembers me and we have a good clean fair fight!


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue May 22, 2012 8:02 pm

    Ya know I'm curious as all hell bout the invasion timer in the forest.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 8:09 pm

    DarkW17 wrote:People actually bowed to you in the forest? WOW must have been new hunters....you would never catch me bowing to anyone in the forest ever no matter what.

    If someone pulled what you do to me at the kiln I would kill them with no mercy chain BS style every time I see them.

    So basically you bait someone into bowing or wait till they bow then you BS them or throw a fireball at them?

    Sounds a little childish to me but play the game how ever you want to...just remember that every guy that you piss off is going to remember you...and the next time he invades you he will kill you with the cheapest dirtiest tricks he can.

    I play the game with honour so than when I invade the same guy he remembers me and we have a good clean fair fight!

    Nope no baiting, as soon as I see the invader I engage them asap. One of them bowed at me while I was still sprinting towards them. Like stated before I don't waste time in the killing process since im trying to farm the souls and kill them before they get back up. And I don't mind them remembering me and wanting revenge either, not really my problem.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by Rynn on Tue May 22, 2012 8:10 pm

    cloudyeki wrote:Ya know I'm curious as all hell bout the invasion timer in the forest.
    45 seconds.

    I'm pretty sure attacking them while they bow is pretty mean, even in a majority of the fights that the person in those video's used, he waited for them to finish bowing before he charged in guns ablazing. Aside from that, I'm not bothered. How many people bow the next time, btw?
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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue May 22, 2012 8:13 pm

    45 seconds? no wonder a partner tends to shows up whenever I stroll to the gankers.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 8:15 pm

    Rynn wrote:
    cloudyeki wrote:Ya know I'm curious as all hell bout the invasion timer in the forest.
    45 seconds.

    I'm pretty sure attacking them while they bow is pretty mean, even in a majority of the fights that the person in those video's used, he waited for them to finish bowing before he charged in guns ablazing. Aside from that, I'm not bothered. How many people bow the next time, btw?

    Only a few people that invaded bowed at me in the forest, but nearly everyone in Dark Anor Londo did.

    Martyr's way is his own way but like I admitted in another thread I don't play for PVP (as in one on one fair duels) I personally only like the co-op aspect of the game but at the same time accept the negative parts of wanting to co-op.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by SATLOS on Tue May 22, 2012 8:22 pm

    MsCherryBlossom wrote:I don't mind getting hate, it wont change anything about myself or my opinion.

    Then what is the point of this thread, exactly?
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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by WarriorOfSunlight on Tue May 22, 2012 8:25 pm

    SATLOS wrote:
    MsCherryBlossom wrote:I don't mind getting hate, it wont change anything about myself or my opinion.

    Then what is the point of this thread, exactly?
    It's an opening for a more honest and balanced debate on PvP ethics or lack of. Rather than everyone calling each other cheap. Fun fact the forum is a minority of the DS community.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 8:27 pm

    SATLOS wrote:
    MsCherryBlossom wrote:I don't mind getting hate, it wont change anything about myself or my opinion.

    Then what is the point of this thread, exactly?

    As stated in the OP statement, im curious of others opinions on this. Never said I will change my play style.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by SATLOS on Tue May 22, 2012 8:32 pm

    MsCherryBlossom wrote:
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    MsCherryBlossom wrote:I don't mind getting hate, it wont change anything about myself or my opinion.

    Then what is the point of this thread, exactly?

    As stated in the OP statement, im curious of others opinions on this. Never said I will change my play style.

    If you're that concerned with avoiding a 2 v 1 situation, so much so that you consider ostensibly "cheap" tactics as fair game, then perhaps you should just hang out in the Burg or something.

    That's my $0.02. You'll get plenty of 1 v 1 and avoid looking like a jerk on the other player's screen.



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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue May 22, 2012 8:38 pm

    Its mean of you (as I see it)but they took that risk when they bowed. There is only a code of conduct if you want one.

    Play however you'd like, just dont expect any favors if you meet them again.

    Thats the thing, really.

    If you want to play like that, its fine, but by doing so you lose any logical basis for complaints about others playstyles yourself. If you're cool with that, you're fine. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

    Respect is subjective btw, and posessing respect and showing respect are different. You're attacking bowing players means only that you took advantage of those specific openings, nothing more or less.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 8:40 pm

    SATLOS wrote:
    MsCherryBlossom wrote:
    SATLOS wrote:
    MsCherryBlossom wrote:I don't mind getting hate, it wont change anything about myself or my opinion.

    Then what is the point of this thread, exactly?

    As stated in the OP statement, im curious of others opinions on this. Never said I will change my play style.

    If you're that concerned with avoiding a 2 v 1 situation, so much so that you consider ostensibly "cheap" tactics as fair game, then perhaps you should just hang out in the Burg or something.

    That's my $0.02. You'll get plenty of 1 v 1 and avoid looking like a jerk on the other player's screen.




    I entered those two area's since in my experience in farming souls I get most souls from those two places.

    You call them "cheap" and I call the efficient. And I don't care to look like a jerk, I got the souls I wanted so their opinion on how I seem on their screen is actually irrelevant.

    @ Forum Pirate

    I don't expect anything from anyone on this game unless I go into the forums and organize a trade with another player for items. I never once bowed to anyone on either Dark Souls or Demon's (I have done the "well what is it" gesture when I win).


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by SATLOS on Tue May 22, 2012 8:47 pm

    MsCherryBlossom wrote:You call them "cheap" and I call the efficient. And I don't care to look like a jerk, I got the souls I wanted so their opinion on how I seem on their screen is actually irrelevant.

    By that argument you might as well have two phantoms sitting with you ready to pounce on their spawn point. Not saying you do that, nor am I really recommending you do, but it would be more efficient.

    Are you looking for someone to back you up on your choice of playing this way? I don't think you'll find many who will.

    I'm still kind of at a loss on this whole topic, here. Maybe I'm not seeing something others are. Sorry if that's what it is.

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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 8:51 pm

    SATLOS wrote:
    MsCherryBlossom wrote:You call them "cheap" and I call the efficient. And I don't care to look like a jerk, I got the souls I wanted so their opinion on how I seem on their screen is actually irrelevant.

    By that argument you might as well have two phantoms sitting with you ready to pounce on their spawn point. Not saying you do that, nor am I really recommending you do, but it would be more efficient.

    Are you looking for someone to back you up on your choice of playing this way? I don't think you'll find many who will.

    I'm still kind of at a loss on this whole topic, here. Maybe I'm not seeing something others are. Sorry if that's what it is.


    I can see what you mean about the two phantoms. I may not agree with this wiki's Honor Code but I wont go as far as ganking another player. When I farm souls I do it alone.

    And I don't want support, im just simply looking for opinions and why people feel the way they do about their stated opinions.

    In many cases I seen people get bashed on being called cowards, or other RL insults toward who they are as a person just because of how they choose to play this game. Im curious to why one thinks that.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by billy_bayonet on Tue May 22, 2012 8:55 pm

    the way i see it you play pvp how you wanna play it, do you get a sense of satisfaction by killing peopel while bowing, does it make you a better player then them, and do you **** yourself if they get back up caue you didnt OHKO, by all means play how you want but if your gonna play like that you better hope you kill everyone in one hit


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 9:00 pm

    billy_bayonet wrote:the way i see it you play pvp how you wanna play it, do you get a sense of satisfaction by killing peopel while bowing, does it make you a better player then them, and do you **** yourself if they get back up caue you didnt OHKO, by all means play how you want but if your gonna play like that you better hope you kill everyone in one hit

    I don't see why I would get any kind of self satisfaction from killing a person on a game where dying is number one. When I kill someone and get souls it's on to the next one for me. I don't jump for joy or scream "HELL YEAH" like you might imagine some people might do.

    As for them getting up, normally great combustion or TWOG finishes the job. I don't see why one would get scared on someone not dying right away.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by SATLOS on Tue May 22, 2012 9:10 pm

    MsCherryBlossom wrote:And I don't want support, im just simply looking for opinions and why people feel the way they do about their stated opinions.

    In many cases I seen people get bashed on being called cowards, or other RL insults toward who they are as a person just because of how they choose to play this game. Im curious to why one thinks that.

    Well, if you want peoples opinions on why they play with honour, I guess its because we'd rather be know as honourable players. Chicken and the egg, I know... ^_^

    You can play whatever way you want. Dark Souls is an RPG, after all.

    When all is said and done, some of us can walk away and feel good about playing the game a certain way. I try to promote honourable play in those I meet because it makes it more fun for everyone.

    If all you care about is "as many souls as possible, as quickly as possible", it kind of defeats the purpose of Dark Souls, IMHO: a great combat system where you try to best another player 1 on 1 using strategy, skill and cunning.

    I don't see any point to playing just to farm souls/go for the quick kill. That's boring to me. I might as well be playing WoW in that case.
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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by MsCherryBlossom on Tue May 22, 2012 9:22 pm

    SATLOS wrote:
    MsCherryBlossom wrote:And I don't want support, im just simply looking for opinions and why people feel the way they do about their stated opinions.

    In many cases I seen people get bashed on being called cowards, or other RL insults toward who they are as a person just because of how they choose to play this game. Im curious to why one thinks that.

    Well, if you want peoples opinions on why they play with honour, I guess its because we'd rather be know as honourable players. Chicken and the egg, I know... ^_^

    You can play whatever way you want. Dark Souls is an RPG, after all.

    When all is said and done, some of us can walk away and feel good about playing the game a certain way. I try to promote honourable play in those I meet because it makes it more fun for everyone.

    If all you care about is "as many souls as possible, as quickly as possible", it kind of defeats the purpose of Dark Souls, IMHO: a great combat system where you try to best another player 1 on 1 using strategy, skill and cunning.

    I don't see any point to playing just to farm souls/go for the quick kill. That's boring to me. I might as well be playing WoW in that case.

    I don't only farm for souls, im not sure if everyone is like this but with me I have my BB glitched characters I even have my Dragon Head glitched toon. But I also have a legit toon that I want to level up to 300. (I know not many are that high but thats where I want my toon to get to.) So I farm for souls a lot and do what I know is the fastest way to get them.


    I said before I play for the co-op aspect of the game (Repping Sunbro's) and accept the other part of wanting to co-op.

    I can respect the where you stated why you play the way you do. I just don't see why how my play style is so frowned, when most should realize not everyone is part of this wiki nor play by the code.


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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by Oniramkenobi on Tue May 22, 2012 9:25 pm

    Hehe finaly someone that sees things almost the same as me.

    I think MsCherryBlossom point is that we should not assume that everyone plays with "my" rules .
    And we also shouldnt force "my" opinion on others .
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    Re: Question about PVP

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue May 22, 2012 9:27 pm

    It's a respect thing blossom. You aren't farming AI for souls, your fighting another player for souls. Do to others unto yourself and all that.

    My forest hunter is 292 now, so I can understand the high goal. A good day in the forest will net me around 12 levels, and that's on 10%. You're getting 50%. I hope I get a chance to fight you soon blossom. I'm always looking for someone to equal my pyromancy big grin


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