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    Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Extertionist on Sun May 20, 2012 4:04 am

    Okay, I can see why TWOP is cheap but why is WOG cheap and the masks cheap? I have not lost or won any matches with WOG and the masks do not give a huge advantage either so why does everybody hate it?
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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Quarik on Sun May 20, 2012 4:07 am

    I don't mind MotF or MotC but MotM gives an absurd health boost and weighs very little. WoG isn't a cheap spell, but when spammed it's a pain in the *** and when combined with TWoP is almost impossible to defend against.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by SlakeMoth on Sun May 20, 2012 5:50 am

    I'm so fed up of people using acronyms in their posts. Yes I know I can look 'em up and some I've learned by heart but I still find it irritating. It makes me TMHO!
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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Wade_Wilson on Sun May 20, 2012 6:33 am

    Wrath of Gods is considered cheap as you can stunlock your opponent with it for over 2000 damage with a good catalyst and high faith. The Mask of the Mother provides a high health boost which also stacks with the fap ring and is most commonly used in high vitality elemental weapon builds.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sun May 20, 2012 4:07 pm

    the masks are reviled because they are so common in pvp and thus precludes originality as everyone looks like one of pinwheels minions, and their boosts aren't minor as the father mask can allow a lvl 1 to wear havels chest and legs if you've got havels ring as well and the mother mask gives around 200+ extra hp, enough to survive a hit from a katana etc in med armor, the weakest of the 3 is the child mask as the stamina boost isnt that big a help and could be acheived with a grass shield or a green blossom.

    wrath of god is only cheap when cast repeatedly, however you can roll right through a wog cast and bs the caster so... this ones an esay to counter noob move thats just annoying rather than cheap imo.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Majikero07 on Sun May 20, 2012 5:11 pm

    I think the forest hunters are seeing Force as cheap now. I keep getting the same hunters and they sit back and wait for another hunter. I killed all the current forest hunters today at least once. I think their resorting to cheap tactics on me or whenever I spam force.
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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by DoughGuy on Sun May 20, 2012 8:07 pm

    Because when you spam force they think you're spamming WoG and they dont want to take on that solo.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Quarik on Sun May 20, 2012 8:33 pm

    They definitely need to learn the difference between force and wrath. Knowing that has saved my life many times.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Majikero07 on Sun May 20, 2012 8:46 pm

    I have 2 force equipped. That's 42 casts of force. What else am I supposed to to with it? It's a great defense, like it's designed for. It's manage to stop several BS attempts so far.
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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by bloodpixel on Sun May 20, 2012 8:52 pm

    SlakeMoth wrote:I'm so fed up of people using acronyms in their posts. Yes I know I can look 'em up and some I've learned by heart but I still find it irritating. It makes me TMHO!
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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Rynn on Sun May 20, 2012 9:01 pm

    Wrath of Gods is not cheap. it has a bad rep for being overused.
    The masks are the same way. Masks and Wrath of Gods are also almost always paired together with Gankers, which further lowers their 'respect' by the community.

    The only thing cheap in this game, is using TWoP, then using the lag it causes to get a free backstab.
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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Reaperfan on Sun May 20, 2012 9:04 pm

    Because they're incredibly efficient at what they do. To hit the <50% mark to use the DWGR, most players need at least 1 piece of light armor. The masks fill this role, but compensate for the lack of defense given by other light armor by providing beneficial side boosts. If you need a piece of armor weighing less than 1.5 units, would you rather take a family mask or the Hollow Thief's Hood (disregarding looks winking)?

    Wrath of the Gods is because it has so much use and power. The speed of the startup and ending makes it's use generally unpunishable as well as being able to lock you down if you're hit with it once, and it has enough power to do very significant damage when blocked, and outright kill most players when not.

    People call them cheap because they provide so many benefits for so few setbacks. They aren't bad mechanics and are highly beneficial to use, the problem is that in the eyes of most players they are TOO good, meaning you're basically forced to choose between using them to win or doing something more interesting but losing alot more often.

    Personally, I feel better losing to the guy in the Hollow Thief's Hood than I do winning against the guy wearing Mask of the Mother.

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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Quarik on Sun May 20, 2012 9:16 pm

    Gratz reaper.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon May 21, 2012 12:00 am

    Because if what any given person likes to do isn't unambigously the best they complain about anything that can be argued as better. But if what they do is the arguably the best, they call it op or boring and switch.

    There are exceptions and feel free to believe yourselvs to be the exception if you'd like, but thats pretty much how every online game community works.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Sebastrd on Mon May 21, 2012 12:34 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Because if what any given person likes to do isn't unambigously the best they complain about anything that can be argued as better. But if what they do is the arguably the best, they call it op or boring and switch.

    There are exceptions and feel free to believe yourselvs to be the exception if you'd like, but thats pretty much how every online game community works.

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    Post by Quarik on Mon May 21, 2012 12:48 am

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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Extertionist on Mon May 21, 2012 12:53 am

    So it's all about the rep surrounding those tactics except for TWOP.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by lordgodofhell on Mon May 21, 2012 2:36 am

    Extertionist wrote:Okay, I can see why TWOP is cheap but why is WOG cheap and the masks cheap? I have not lost or won any matches with WOG and the masks do not give a huge advantage either so why does everybody hate it?

    TWOP lasts a mere 10 seconds...easy to avoid until it goes out. When it does. Wait for em to spam it again and bum rush them 2H jump attack and boom..you just won lol

    All three masks are just....UGLY to me.

    WOG takes less skill to kill with perhaps? So that could be where they are coming from...
    It only has 3 casts though which is its downfall. It is a really cool spell and miracle builds best offensive spell so people are going to use it.
    I don't run into it much myself. There are just too many better strategies


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Federally on Mon May 21, 2012 4:20 am

    There isn't anything wrong with the masks on their own. However pretty much every guy I've dueled or been invaded by who turned out to be a douche bag was wearing a mask. So if I just avoid people wearing them if I'm looking to summon for a fight, using RSS etc, though I don't ***** about someone using them.

    As far as WotG goes TwoP followed by WotG spam is incredibly lame. It's a perfect tactic that really doesn't have a counter. You can call me a hater, a whiner or whatever nonsense you wanna call 'truth' but the fact is FROM didn't balance PvP very well. When someone uses TwoP you can't avoid WotG, then WotG can hit you again before you can do anything and be repeated until you're dead. This is not fun or balanced.

    The general hatred of things occurs when a cheap use is discovered and repeated over and over by douche bags. The community then over reacts and treats any, even legit uses, of said ability as douche baggery. This is just human nature and the way the pendulum swings.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by SlakeMoth on Mon May 21, 2012 5:28 am

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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Wade_Wilson on Mon May 21, 2012 5:38 am

    Wrath of Gods doesn't affect me at all. Havel's Greatshield master race reporting in.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Quarik on Mon May 21, 2012 5:38 am

    Competent dodger master race reporting in.


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    Re: Please Enlighten Me

    Post by Federally on Mon May 21, 2012 6:04 am

    Wade_Wilson wrote:Wrath of Gods doesn't affect me at all. Havel's Greatshield master race reporting in.

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