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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Tue May 22, 2012 5:28 am

    Lol there were some questions i felt silly answering like does he carry knives of his person?

    The answer was yes but only one. Its a combat knife that most soldier even in this day and age would use.

    Does his kick *** with his mad skills?

    Does blowing up something count? Then probably.

    Also I saw that the ranking for race were

    Not a Sue Race

    And Probably a Sue Race.

    What the hell is a Sue race?


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by DoughGuy on Tue May 22, 2012 5:29 am

    http://www.springhole.net/writing/whatisamarysue.htm
    basically someone who is amazing and does everything.

    For the "do they save the world more than anyoe else" Well .. yeah ... because atm theres only 1 book and he accidently saves the world for the good guys. I dont know if thats what they wanted though.


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Tue May 22, 2012 5:47 am

    I suppose so too.

    Does you character save the world. I suppose universe is more apt on this one. Is that the reason I'm writing the book? No ser its not.


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by DoughGuy on Tue May 22, 2012 5:49 am

    Alright, time to read the other 6 links, but first, dinner!


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Tue May 22, 2012 6:06 am

    But first..... I go to write the Noble Knights Lore of the Last Stand at the Archives!


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by DoughGuy on Tue May 22, 2012 6:08 am

    Cant wait to read it.


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by DoughGuy on Tue May 22, 2012 6:51 am

    Interesting links although I dont think much of it affects me.


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Tue May 22, 2012 6:54 am

    You read it?


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    Post by DoughGuy on Tue May 22, 2012 6:59 am

    Yup. I like it, said so in the Knights thread. My previous comment was talking abou tthe links Tolvo posted.


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Tue May 22, 2012 7:03 am

    Yeah I figured as much after posting. i feel like a total idiot now. Seven minutes go!


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by Azran on Tue May 22, 2012 7:43 am

    Those links are nice. Really nice. Especially the "Offensive Mistakes" one. I think the author kind of exaggerates on some points, but I mostly agree with him.

    EDIT: Yay, one of my main characters has 14 points of Mary-Sueness.


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by Tolvo on Tue May 22, 2012 8:40 am

    Make sure you are answering questions correctly and only answering ones that apply to your character. If they are in an original work don't answer a fan character question of course, etc.

    In regards to the Knives, it's the idea of your character carrying a ridiculous amount of Knives on their person at all times, "Just in case." A combat Knife, that's fine. It makes sense to carry one, but ten knives on your person all at once, at all times? That's ridiculous, and is a Sue trait that has become more common because of Assassin's Creed, the Main characters of that series being huge Mary Sues.

    A Mary Sue is an over-powered character, a really Cliche character, or a character who who is just beyond typical. Think of it this way, every character in Twilight is a Mary Sue.

    Basically being able to defeat six or more enemies at once is a Sue trait Viral, so that will help you with understanding in regards to your character kicking ***.

    The exaggeration is done for Comedic effect, but mostly these tests are very accurate. Understand this, these tests/articles are tools to help you develop as a writer and build better worlds, characters, and stories. Do not try to take offense to them, and do not lie to yourself when taking them otherwise you're only hurting your skills. These show very typical and un-interesting characters from a perspective of an educated person. But as you know sometimes terrible things can be a success, so I suppose learning to make better characters might not make you more likely to make money. But if people look back on your stories some day it will make it more likely that you are remembered as an Author, rather than a sellout or lucky person.
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    Post by Azran on Tue May 22, 2012 2:55 pm

    Don't forget about a prevalent, though not as primary, aspect of the Gary/Mary Sue: it represents - in some cases - the author's ideal.

    Example: Eragon.

    As always, the Gary/Mary Sue line is a thin one. One can make a character that has common Gary/Mary Sue traits, but still make them believable.

    Example: Ravenor, from Dan Abnett.


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    Post by nsane32 on Tue May 22, 2012 3:05 pm

    to make a good book you need something original like in the rangers apprentice book is about an elite group of archers they not have powers just skill and that does not stop them from kicking***


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed May 23, 2012 7:12 am

    Aye I agree. My orginal idea for the Swords of the Ancestors was he concept of this being Foresworn. I.e they were fated to happen.

    All of the Ranger/Wardens/ Greycloaks are foresworn to serve at Sanctuary Watch and the Kingsblade, an ornamental sword entrusted to the Kings Own Blade that is said to find its way into the hands of the worthy. That happened to be a 15 year old apprentice to the GreyCloaks who had yet to kill anything before he managed to fell an Ancestor.



    I also find that writing is a discipline and without taking time out of doing whatever it is that you do to whole heartedly concetrate on it gets neglected.

    I like to think up small tasks to do and at the end of the week work on a large project. this week it was to write a five part section of my character Letos explaining who he is, where is came from,a nd why he is the way he is, without having overly expansive battles, cheesy dialogue, just using some plain old emotive language and a depressing story line.


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    Re: Creative Writers Sanctum

    Post by Azran on Thu May 24, 2012 3:50 am

    For me, writing is 10% talent, 90% discipline.


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu May 24, 2012 6:32 am

    Azran wrote:For me, writing is 10% talent, 90% discipline.

    +1 for that. So true.

    Though while its said that anyone can write a book. Its also true that it takes talent to write a good book.

    I feel like I have that talent, yeah I sound really presumptuous, but if I did not practice it would lose its edge.

    Sometimes when I read my friends writing or that of some people I know I have to think that I'm glad that I have that talent that sets my work apart from thiers.

    For lack of better words this is how I describe that 10%. I'm pretty arrogant but not enough to say that I am a supreme judge of the written word though i feel somewhat qualified to voice an opinion about the works of others.

    I mean from what I've seen Tolvo you have some potent talent for your short poetic verse. And Dough given your concepts and good dialogue you have the makings of a talented writer.

    I'd love to read some of your work Azran.

    Also please critically comment on my works. I need to be taken down a peg after this post.


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu May 24, 2012 6:35 am

    Also on a separate not, and I do feel like I need another post for this, when I wrote the short section of lore on Letos (and he is a character i really want to flesh out now though prehaps not just simply borrowing from the DkS and Templars) I tried to make Lilith slightly less like the perfect idealistic female protagonist you always read about with a thin, almost wan face, a major scar going from eye to the back of her head, and over muscled features.


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    [11:10:04 p.m.] Kwith: Woah.
    [11:10:08 p.m.] Kwith: ..Woah.
    [11:10:14 p.m.] Robb "the Ensign_": FATALITY!
    [11:10:16 p.m.] ◥▶️_◀️◤ TehInfamousAmos: AHAHAHAHAHAHA
    [11:10:19 p.m.] Tolvo: You want to see sexual tension.
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    Post by DoughGuy on Thu May 24, 2012 6:41 am

    You did draw very heavily from the in game lilith in my opinion. And that worked since she wasnt meant to be a good guy.
    For me writing really is 90% inspiration. I cant force myself to write. I have to think of an idea, flesh it out and connect it to a previous piece before I can write. If I sit at a comp and say "write" I'll sit there for about 10min before giving up.
    Viral you may sound a bit arrogant but from what I've read you deserve to be a little arrogant.


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu May 24, 2012 6:49 am

    Its Merideth whom you are thinking of. I actually genuinely didnt consider that until you mentioned that now. Will change but for her character. Perhaps even the name due to it crossing over with Horizon.

    Ser Letos got - 18- admitting he had deep anti social Issues must have taken away some points.

    And Yvette- who I've yet to incorporate got 7, time to spice her up!


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    [11:10:14 p.m.] Robb "the Ensign_": FATALITY!
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    Post by DoughGuy on Thu May 24, 2012 6:55 am

    lol thats right. Theres a lilith in Ravenor or Einsenhorn thats a lot like her though. i think thats why I got confused.
    Thats my next project for Iconoclasts. I;ve got to make the characters. I;ve got starting points for most of them (especially on the angel side) but I cant figure out what I want the main humans to be like. I'm thinking like hardened ex cons, but with a soldiery feel, a brotherhood forged in pain. I've also been inspired by Plaggy. I;m gonna have 1 slightly insane guy who is naturally gifted with a sword. Its a character Ive always wanted to use.


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    Post by DoughGuy on Thu May 24, 2012 7:01 am

    VIRAL HAVE YOU SEEN THERE IS A DA MOVIE!


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu May 24, 2012 7:03 am

    Yes. I have.

    About the insane ex con wielding a sword ing a modern universe where he fights gods with his kick *** skills...... not to put a dampner on things......


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    Post by DoughGuy on Thu May 24, 2012 7:06 am

    Its not a modern universe. The technology level is kinda wack. They have cars, planes, bombs and miniguns but they havent been able to replicate guns at a small scale. Swords and spears are still primary combat weapons.


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu May 24, 2012 7:20 am

    Oh I get it now. Then I suppose what I'd suggest you add to him instead of a sword which seems odd in a pseudo mining society (which I seem to imagine this world is like, Dust swept Steppes, jutting spears of rock and ruins, standstorms that would scour you face clean off) is a pick axe.

    YOU LOVE PICK AXES AS OF NOW!

    @ Tolvo-I just read back through your post and it wasn't that I took offense to them I just felt like I needed to justify to myself that I wasnt falling into the trap of being too empowering of my characters. Agreed this tool helps very much and I have vetted almost all of my characters with it. Most score in the 18-29 region.


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    [11:10:14 p.m.] Robb "the Ensign_": FATALITY!
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