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    Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Katakato on Thu May 10, 2012 8:33 am

    We all know that Estus chugging, Humanity and Divine Blessing healing is frowned upon in duels but what about healing with Spells ?

    The cast time is long enough to be BS-d, attacked and even cancel the Healing.
    Also, it's specific to certain builds so not everyone can heal.

    What do you think ?

    In my opinion if I'm dumb enough to let them heal they deserve their HP.


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Federally on Thu May 10, 2012 8:42 am

    In a legit duel you don't heal, at all, unless you've agreed to heal when low so you can extend the fights.

    Now that's only in an agreed upon straight up duel, exactly how you want to apply that to other PvP is up to you.


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Katakato on Thu May 10, 2012 8:56 am

    I never heal even if the other guy does but i must admit there were times is healed just because he frustrated me with this cheap BS fishing & massive Estus chugging...i healed up & took his head big grin


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Federally on Thu May 10, 2012 9:03 am

    If I'm invaded while doing PvE i won't hesitate to heal. So I guess it depends what you call a duel lol. Just because its 1v1 its not necessarily a duel.


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Katakato on Thu May 10, 2012 9:08 am

    If we both bow, let each other buff that's a duel for me.
    If I'm invaded & the invader waits for me to react i have a pretty good idea if he will heal or not.


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by DamageCK on Thu May 10, 2012 9:40 am

    The method of healing isn't the issue. It's the fact that there's healing at all. If you're standing around at the spawn waiting to be invaded, you're clearly looking for PvP. Everyone has their own guidelines when it comes to multiplayer, but when I'm actively looking for PvP, I don't rip invaders off by healing.


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by barrywilkins on Thu May 10, 2012 9:43 am

    for me, its like you said. if you actually let someone get that heal off then they totally deserve the hp.
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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Federally on Thu May 10, 2012 9:45 am

    Katakato wrote:If we both bow, let each other buff that's a duel for me.
    If I'm invaded & the invader waits for me to react i have a pretty good idea if he will heal or not.

    Bowing is all well and good but the best duels always start with a mutual bow and then a couple minutes spent spamming taunts at one another. Then you know its gonna be fun


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Katakato on Thu May 10, 2012 9:47 am

    DamageCK wrote:The method of healing isn't the issue.

    I'm not the one making the "rules" of dueling but to me it would seem that the longer cast for heals could be a valid reason for them to be allowed. You risk much even attempting to cast Greater Heal in a PvP fight.

    It's like trying to re-cast a weapon buff mid fight, you know you are risking a BS or Stun lock attempting it, i never allow re-casts in a duel & no one is going to heal at the beginning a fight silly


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by billy_bayonet on Thu May 10, 2012 12:21 pm

    tbh why would you want to heal? if someones bs's you just shrug it off it happens but if someones heals im like well you just showed your true colours then ill shrug and BC out


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by BLA1NE on Thu May 10, 2012 8:23 pm

    Healing is healing, doesn't matter how it's done, you don't do it in a duel...

    To those saying "if he has time to miracle heal in a duel he deserves the HP", I disagree. The heal miracle can easily be mistaken for another (TWoP, for example) which you would instinctively want to run away from. Only to find out he cast heal and you should have ran in and punished instead? No...


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by billy_bayonet on Thu May 10, 2012 8:48 pm

    some people just dont like loosing if you get an enemy down to like 10 hp left ive found out that most non fc duelers will run away heal or just spam AOE


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu May 10, 2012 11:42 pm

    No.


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by WorldSlayerPIKA on Fri May 11, 2012 3:48 am

    BLA1NE wrote:Healing is healing, doesn't matter how it's done, you don't do it in a duel...

    To those saying "if he has time to miracle heal in a duel he deserves the HP", I disagree. The heal miracle can easily be mistaken for another (TWoP, for example) which you would instinctively want to run away from. Only to find out he cast heal and you should have ran in and punished instead? No...

    I would have said: if Magic attacks are allowed, Magic Healing could be tolerated too. But when reading this ^ I understand what dueling is supposed to be and agree that healing in Duels is bad either way !


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by dirkdeadeye on Fri May 11, 2012 7:58 am

    billy_bayonet wrote:tbh why would you want to heal? if someones bs's you just shrug it off it happens but if someones heals im like well you just showed your true colours then ill shrug and BC out

    I like that, I'm gonna make that a policy of of mine. Estus? Peace bro. I generally bc out of 2v1s now. I'm not going to encourage the behavior, even if I can kill them.
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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Rynn on Fri May 11, 2012 1:52 pm

    If they can get the healing spell off, I don't really get too bothered. I'm more or less okay with whatever is in the game. Ganking bothers me, and healing get's you backstabbed. Just keep that in mind and we get along fine.

    However, I am now wondering. What is your thoughts on the spell Replenishment?
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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri May 11, 2012 2:16 pm

    ^It's pretty weak health regeneration, no? I don't think there's any way to regenerate substantial health in Dark Souls--From wanted to avoid that after Demon's Souls! (Adjudicator Shield +5 & Regenerator's Ring & Faith Weapon +5--am I forgetting anything? You could get ridiculous health regen in DS!)

    Anyways, I wouldn't mind Replenishment, if only because they can't use PW at the same time! I hate that spell for PvP...


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Rynn on Fri May 11, 2012 2:20 pm

    Why do you hate that spell?
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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri May 11, 2012 2:24 pm

    In PvE, it's completely fine. In PvP, it drains way too little health compared to the damage increase it grants.

    I keep fighting people who use DMB and PW. After the fight I message them something like:
    It's cool if you're into 2-shotting people, but I'm here looking for duels. If you invade me again, I'd appreciate it if you crystal out and let me fight people who are looking for a good fight.


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Rynn on Fri May 11, 2012 2:27 pm

    What about if I'm using it w/o a DMB? I've been using PW on a few of my builds recently, I find it a pretty good way to balance the field vs DMB users.
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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri May 11, 2012 3:00 pm

    Gray areas!

    It's hard to say. Most people would probably say "go for it" thinking the DMB user is using a OP spell, but I tend to think that if he's got all those points in Fth then they're not in End or Vit, so he's not as OP as he looks. But it's true that if his build is really well planned, or he abuses ring of Fap + DWGR + MoM + GCS, and whatever else, then he can make up those missing points in End and Vit.

    Really, it's up to you and your judgment, let's not start splitting hairs! I don't expect anyone to follow the same self-imposed rules I do. (But the fights would be so much more interesting...)


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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Fri May 11, 2012 3:22 pm

    BLA1NE wrote:^It's pretty weak health regeneration, no? I don't think there's any way to regenerate substantial health in Dark Souls--From wanted to avoid that after Demon's Souls! (Adjudicator Shield +5 & Regenerator's Ring & Faith Weapon +5--am I forgetting anything? You could get ridiculous health regen in DS!)

    Anyways, I wouldn't mind Replenishment, if only because they can't use PW at the same time! I hate that spell for PvP...

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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Rynn on Fri May 11, 2012 3:29 pm

    BLA1NE wrote:Gray areas!

    It's hard to say. Most people would probably say "go for it" thinking the DMB user is using a OP spell, but I tend to think that if he's got all those points in Fth then they're not in End or Vit, so he's not as OP as he looks. But it's true that if his build is really well planned, or he abuses ring of Fap + DWGR + MoM + GCS, and whatever else, then he can make up those missing points in End and Vit.

    Really, it's up to you and your judgment, let's not start splitting hairs! I don't expect anyone to follow the same self-imposed rules I do. (But the fights would be so much more interesting...)
    I tend to just cast PW with a Ascended flame, so I think it's all cool.

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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by User on Fri May 11, 2012 3:47 pm

    I have replenishment for one class, doesn't help much in the short run in combat. long run, it an make a different.

    healing spells of other sorts I use VERY little, even in PvE. If I duel, I may or may not use replenishment. Probably not.

    Although, I have seen times where I was PvPing with an Evil Eye and a Server for one of my characters... if I added replenishment, I could have been a regenerating ****. Of course, that character wasn't very faithful
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    Re: Spell healing in Duels

    Post by Uparkaam on Fri May 11, 2012 8:35 pm

    I'm fine with spell healing. It means they have at least one less slots for WoG.


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