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    Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Razielthemanslayer on Sat May 05, 2012 7:05 am

    Seriusly.... Ever since I began played I have been destroyed by griefers!. And even when you catch up with them, there are still unbelievable cheaters!.

    Ealier this evening I began rampaging on the NG+. everything was going well I absorbed 20 Humanity from the NPC and used it to go human or kindle any bonfire I didn't kindle on the first run. I used them up until I had 15 humanity and then I placed the Red sign to have some good matches.

    This is where I got mad.

    I was played with a guy who had the Catarina set. and I knew I wasn't going to move him much cuz of the Poise, but thing Is.... I connected several good blows and even backstabbed him several times..... NO DAMAGE..... how is that possible? top of that the jerk began punching me around... with NO WEAPONS! he began backpunching me and then he tried to suck humanity with the dark hand!. he did not do it, and soon I began doing some damage and luckily I defeated him.... but then I fought him again... and this time The Frigging Electric Iaito +5 stabbed from 0 damage to 17!. And he killed me!.

    I was calmed at the moment. but then I fought A japanese guy. I bowed to him and he didn't answer the bow, he casted the miracle that slows you down. but if was freaking long!. How did he do that!?, so much distance!. Then the jerk came unto me and sucked ALL OF MY HUMANITY!.... I was outraged really.... I've had some GREAT matches with REAL players! I've lost more than I've won but those matches left me satisfied nonetheless!. And this idiots come here to ruin the experience!.

    I also encountered a guy who was pretty a pretty nice fighter, but when he was getting low I got shot!, POISON ARROWS!. there was a frigging phantom helping him there..... I casted Wrath of the gods to send him flying, then I rapidly casted force several times, He thought I had lots of it so he did not attack and searched for shelter, I grabbed my Iaito and finished him of just to find that the phantom was going to backstab me, luckily "The Target was destroyed" popped up soon!...


    I'm seriously fed up with this... So I wanted to make a thread so we can post opinion and atleast find a good way to either counter them or back off so we don't loose our souls or humanity!.

    The only thing I can think of that will help is

    1. ALWAYS have The Way of peace, even if you will not use it, if you see that your opponent is gonna cheat, USE IT, then Backstab him or Escape.

    2. ALWAYS have the Separation crystal in your hotlist for Square Button, Use it quickly when you see they want to suck humanity.

    3. Never be too polite, bow and try to get the job done quick, any strategy that can make you escape quick or kill quick of you are in front of a cheater.

    4. Never.... EVER have Humanity count if you are dueling. If you got 10+ Go do something with it and only then search for a battle!. That way you will never have much to loose and MUCH more to win!.

    5.Always bring something with which you can cheat back if you get double crossed.

    6. Always look that the battlefield, if they got friends, either escape or try to take them on, it's up to you, atleast if you look around you won't be surprised.

    How to spot a cheater.

    1. They will either take no damage and ridiculous amount of damage and not die!.

    2. If he tries to suck your humanity, ESCAPE. Pop the frigging Separation Crystal. They will suck if from you!

    3. If he has a friend. BACK OFF. They are cheaters, the least they will do is that one of them will cast WOTG To you while the other one either smacks you with a heavy weapon or casts Fire Tempest at you!.

    4.If you Bow and they don't, Fight at your own risks. They are most likely gonna cheat.


    That is all for now, I've calmed down quite a bit. I hope one day we can ban them or something..... they are completely ruining the experience!. The game is as unforgiving as it will be, We don't need these jerks to grim our fun.

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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Johannsny on Sat May 05, 2012 9:29 am

    Keep at it. I like to host ( mostly gravelord) and I think it is very rude to make gestures and and cheat people whontake the time and effort to host. Sometimes I get discouraged, but so far at least 1 out of 10 or so invasions turn out to be pretty awesome (whether I win or lose makes no difference to me, it is the experience that counts)

    I had a spirit of vengeance invade in new londo last night. We were having a good fight, but he was winning. Then suddenly a DW invades. The SoV stopped fighting. I was expecting trouble trying to fend off two invaders, but the next thing the SoV attacked the DW, and I left them to duke it out. After the SoV defeated the DW, he bowed to me and then we carried on. In the end he beat me too. What a honorable person! Well done dude, you restored my faith in people.

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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Eolan on Sat May 05, 2012 10:01 am

    I didnt realise that SoV can fight the DW's!? Thats awesome!
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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by cloudyeki on Sat May 05, 2012 12:45 pm

    Here's my tips for dealing with these types.

    1) be above their level. Don't sink down to using there tricks against them. Step up your game.
    2) Bow at a distance, if you see the prayer cast then move away or cast yourself.
    3) Always be aware of your surroundings. Don't start the fight till you know what's around you.
    4) If it's a hacker just b/c out.


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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by his1n- on Sat May 05, 2012 1:05 pm

    Have 10 slots filled with Force, annoy the hell out of them and then chain BS up to infinity.
    Cheaters tend even more to mash their PS3 power button than TWoP spammers.


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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by reim0027 on Sat May 05, 2012 6:17 pm

    I agree with Cloud. Practice. Get better. Realize this: if they have to hack to beat you, they've already lost. I guess you'd call them moral victories?

    Also, join the Fight Club. You'll get better quickly and have some great fights.


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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Razielthemanslayer on Sat May 05, 2012 9:21 pm

    reim0027 wrote:I agree with Cloud. Practice. Get better. Realize this: if they have to hack to beat you, they've already lost. I guess you'd call them moral victories?

    Also, join the Fight Club. You'll get better quickly and have some great fights.

    You've got a point. Moral Victory FTW!

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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat May 05, 2012 9:33 pm

    not trying to be negative cause i completely understand the rage, but your definition of cheating is a little flawed. i say follow clouds advice also dont take losses so seriously you are still getting the hang of pvp so no big deal. RUN from twop it has a short distance and doesnt last very long. If they are not taking dmg it might be because they were in mid roll which gives an invincibility frame. A lot of the people doing the things you explained are people like you who got fed up, but they decide hey i will just be as cheap as possible and became what they hate. this is why theres so many griefers

    also try not to always assume people are cheating or hackers its just not a good idea and will just cause you more rage. If a match is really laggy oh well nothing you could do, move on. just try to have fun, joining FC is a great way to do that.
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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by reim0027 on Sat May 05, 2012 9:55 pm

    Razielthemanslayer wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:I agree with Cloud. Practice. Get better. Realize this: if they have to hack to beat you, they've already lost. I guess you'd call them moral victories?

    Also, join the Fight Club. You'll get better quickly and have some great fights.

    You've got a point. Moral Victory FTW!

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    Fight Club?? Where do I sign!? lol!
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    Read the first post for the rules. The rest of the 60+ pages are us talking to each other. Make a SL 120 build, send a FR to Rant or Yesu, and you'll be invited to our chat. You won't regret it.


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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by RANT on Sat May 05, 2012 11:29 pm

    another thing that works for me, every time i see a host and two sunbros i cast vow of silence and boom! bs them all!!! theyre gonna do the funny animation where thay can cast any magic and thats your opporinuty to bs them.


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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Eolan on Thu May 10, 2012 8:07 am

    I have encountered a hacker or two on xbox. Theres no damage count no matter what you do to them, and they often spam aoe spells seemingly infinitely. Sometimes they just r1 combo for minutes on end. I tried pushing one off a cliff but i am a glass assassin so i eventually make a mistake and it takes one hit then im needin healing or im dead.

    Any tactic is fine for me in dark souls as long as your not BB glitching or hacking. This is the cheating.

    Whats funny is everyone in dark souls seems to have lost touch with a very important dynamic. Invading peoples worlds is F***ing risky. If you get gangraped then you stepped into the wrong turf and got stabbed for it. I see no problem with gangs.

    Did lautrec fight not heavily imply that invading turf is likely gonna lead to you being on the back foot?

    Hacking the game, terrible human. using the Bb glitch? abuser of the economy. Gang fighting? Honestly? backing yourself up from you scummy bullies. Invasions are supposed to be you spoiling their fun by interrupting. This isnt tekken.

    You have altered the shift of reality to come thieve from my home. If i can get someone to mash you about and then backstab you for trying to take whats mine then so be it.


    Obviously a duel is another thing i get that. But dont expect to come rain on my bosskilling parade and not get unfairly treated. You INVADED me. That is why they allow higher levels to invade and not coop.

    If its guys hanging out in the woods picking on you then again maybe you should take a look at yourself. Your plan was to what? Come drop off some medals? No you came to kill the host. AND WE WILL DEFEND OURSELVES WITH MAGIC, IRON AND MAGICAL IRON.

    hacking is cack though. What a dream this game could be if no Lag no hacking and no BB glitching. Imagine if you could recognise people by their legendary weapons. Oh god its "" and his legendary +15 great hammer.
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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Federally on Thu May 10, 2012 8:26 am

    Lol OP you apparently haven't PvP'd much in the burg in the SL20 range. All of the nonsense you posted is nothing compared to all the BB glitching douche bags who invade out there. It's not uncommon to hit for 3 or 4 times your HP by a combustion or an R1 depending on the foe.

    I'm trying to combat this nonsense by gravelording out there and fighting all the SoVs (who are usually new or at least legit players) honorably, wielding my morningstar +1 and wearing elite knight set +1 with no rings. But as soon as I get invaded by a DW I pull out the Gravelord greatsword and stun lock the **** out of them with 2 handed swings.

    It's really sad the kind of BS any new player has to deal with in the beginner area, I really wish FROM would address it, at least newbies are usually hollow but doom on them if they go human to try and summon.


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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Eolan on Thu May 10, 2012 10:26 am

    Federally wrote:Lol OP you apparently haven't PvP'd much in the burg in the SL20 range. All of the nonsense you posted is nothing compared to all the BB glitching douche bags who invade out there. It's not uncommon to hit for 3 or 4 times your HP by a combustion or an R1 depending on the foe.

    I'm trying to combat this nonsense by gravelording out there and fighting all the SoVs (who are usually new or at least legit players) honorably, wielding my morningstar +1 and wearing elite knight set +1 with no rings. But as soon as I get invaded by a DW I pull out the Gravelord greatsword and stun lock the **** out of them with 2 handed swings.

    It's really sad the kind of BS any new player has to deal with in the beginner area, I really wish FROM would address it, at least newbies are usually hollow but doom on them if they go human to try and summon.


    When me and my buddy started our quest we knew allot more about dark souls than before and we used to gang fight allot of people with insane amounts of damage/health. He'd summon my assasin and lure the invaders in while i hid somewhere. It was all about orchestrating traps and diabolical backstab lures. But in all bloody fairness they deserved it.
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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by MEGAMIKE73 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:58 pm

    Man I hate these people who cheat. I am at a soul level of 193 and have almost 800 hours playing. When these people invade my game I can't do anything to them. Either they don't get hurt or they can make it so when I roll away from a back stab I get sucked right back in. I have been killing myself when this happends just so they don't get to do it. I hate to play online anymore. Most of the ones I have seen have been from Japan. Is there anything we can do to stop it?
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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:44 pm

    First off, humanity has a huge defensive benefit so having lots and knowing how to avoid the suck is a better solution.

    @Eolan Thats an incredibly biased perspective. As has been clarified, if its an invader then both parties are expecting a no rules type thing. Thats fine. Nobody cares.

    However: what of the phantoms just looking for a good fight? Those who will leave or drop humanity to compensate, if asked. These people are quite justified in being upset that they get jumped, as they often make every effort to show that they mean no ill will.

    You can say "this isn't tekken" all you like, but the fact is: many people some of the time, and some people all the time, have no interest in "ruining your fun" and treating them as if they do is unfair at best and no better than griefing at worst.


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    Re: Warfare Against The Cheaters

    Post by PlasticandRage on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:55 am

    Johannsny wrote:Keep at it. I like to host ( mostly gravelord) and I think it is very rude to make gestures and and cheat people whontake the time and effort to host. Sometimes I get discouraged, but so far at least 1 out of 10 or so invasions turn out to be pretty awesome (whether I win or lose makes no difference to me, it is the experience that counts)

    I had a spirit of vengeance invade in new londo last night. We were having a good fight, but he was winning. Then suddenly a DW invades. The SoV stopped fighting. I was expecting trouble trying to fend off two invaders, but the next thing the SoV attacked the DW, and I left them to duke it out. After the SoV defeated the DW, he bowed to me and then we carried on. In the end he beat me too. What a honorable person! Well done dude, you restored my faith in people.


    I had the exact opposite happen to me in the burg the other night. I was dueling this guy, and it was going pretty well as far as clean fighting goes. Then we get invaded by a DW, and the guy stops fighting me and moves in on the DW, who was on an elevated platform. So I figured we'd take him out together and resume our duel. The minute I shifted my focus he BSed me off a cliff and sent me home with a . Guess that's what I get for turning my back on someone wearing a giants/mask of the father combo. Should have known better.

    Also, this:
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    4) If it's a hacker just b/c out.
    If we all collectively BSC'd every time we saw someone hacking/cheating, I'd think it'd eventually lose it's luster because they'd have nobody to play with.


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