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    Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by kiwi_commander on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:46 am

    Hi all, well I have been a huge PVE pleyer in DKS for a while and my whole thing is to help people get through the later stages of the game as I am a sun bro. So this being my first PVP build I decided to go the extreme route and not use a shield at all... so I made a Lautrec build

    So here is my question. I have my build pretty well figured (FAI/DEX Hybrid) out but I need help finding a weapon for my RH2 slot. Here are the slots

    LH1: Occult Shotel+5 or other Elemental Shotel depending on mood
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    RH1: Shotel +15, for buffs
    RH2: ?

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    I was thinking of putting Avelyn in there, any other suggestions?

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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by RANT on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:01 am

    what about man serpent gs? if you two hand it so you dont put a lot of pointd in str or since all is have are shotels you can try something with a little reach like a rapier.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by The_Tao on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:06 am

    Off-hand Parrying Dagger.

    Do eet!


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by kiwi_commander on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:07 am

    RantFromRant wrote:what about man serpent gs? if you two hand it so you dont put a lot of pointd in str or since all is have are shotels you can try something with a little reach like a rapier.

    That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. Having a rapier or estoc will definitely change the gameplay of the build depending on the situation. If so, I will try that out when I get home tonight. Ricard's Rapier Lightning +5 might be a good candidate or maybe Ricards +15. I think Ricards +15 might not work that well because I might have to re-buff it.
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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by strangejoy on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:03 pm

    kiwi_commander wrote:
    RantFromRant wrote:what about man serpent gs? if you two hand it so you dont put a lot of pointd in str or since all is have are shotels you can try something with a little reach like a rapier.

    That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. Having a rapier or estoc will definitely change the gameplay of the build depending on the situation. If so, I will try that out when I get home tonight. Ricard's Rapier Lightning +5 might be a good candidate or maybe Ricards +15. I think Ricards +15 might not work that well because I might have to re-buff it.

    A rapier's a great idea. An uchi or a balder side sword would also be a decent choice. If you have the strenght, a flamberge would be good.

    Fyi, I think shieldless is the way to go in pvp. Maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, most players who use a shield allow their opponent to control the flow of combat. People who dual wield or two hand tend to do more damage, break shield guards, and have more offensive alternatives.
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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by aceluby on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:25 pm

    I've never met a really 'good' PvP'er who used a shield. Best combo I've found is some sort of long range weapon in the left hand and a RH weapon that does decent melee damage.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by RANT on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:34 pm

    you can make a devine or occult bss, it fast and has a really long range for a straight sword, estoc is pretty awesome too, love the reach of it too. mail breaker? make them chaos, nnot sure but it might be better than lightning and it looks cooler.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by RANT on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:36 pm

    btw, whats the best upgrade for the parrying dagger? ive never used it since i dont like dex builds but i do have it for my int build thats using velka's rapier


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by strangejoy on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:39 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:btw, whats the best upgrade for the parrying dagger? ive never used it since i dont like dex builds but i do have it for my int build thats using velka's rapier

    It doesn't really matter. Are you going to attack someone with your parrying dagger R2, lol? If so, I guess any elemental path is fine.
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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by k0rruptid on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:51 pm

    havels shield all day baby!


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by RANT on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:59 pm

    i guess youre right, if its just for parrying it doesnt matter what upgrade path i use. so itss gonna be parrying dagger on left with tcc hand with chaos mail breaker and mail breaker on the right.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by Sav_Alc on Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:58 pm

    Finally..I thought I wuz the only person who went without a shield.
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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by The_Tao on Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:14 pm

    Went I dabble on my straight dex build I use Priscilla's dagger RH and Notched Whip LH


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by Rynn on Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:27 pm

    Two hand your weapon, even if it's a dagger. If you've got no shield, there is no reason to not maximize weapon damage.



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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by k0rruptid on Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:52 pm

    ^correct me if im wrong but katanas dont even seem to add damage for 2 handed, the main katana ive used is a lightning washing pole+5, 2 handed just means you get a slower R2 that has less range, 1 handed r2 is much better


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by Rynn on Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:57 pm

    Even elemental weapoins give extra damage two handed. The value in the menu might not change, but you'll do more damage with actual hits. The only weapon that doesn't get additional damage from being two handed is the crossbow.
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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by strangejoy on Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:18 pm

    It's more than just the damage, too. Two handing a weapon vastly increases its poise smashing profile and shield bashing profile.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by Rynn on Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:21 pm

    Yeah, I estimate about a 180% increase in stamina loss per hit on a shield, compared to using about 140% more stamina per swing. I usually get 30-40 extra damage per swing with elemental weapons, an extra 70-80 with pure dex weapons, and something like 150 from strength.



    Straight Swords do double damage when two handed.
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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by k0rruptid on Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:39 pm

    double damage? why does it only increase it by a tiny amount? why cant we trust the numbers lol. makes it all the more confusing.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by RANT on Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:12 pm

    i always two hand my machete with grass crest on my back so i dont have to use green blossoms.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by Rynn on Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:28 pm

    k0rruptid wrote:double damage? why does it only increase it by a tiny amount? why cant we trust the numbers lol. makes it all the more confusing.

    I just know 2handing causes things to hurt more, and for some reason is incredibly effective with straight swords. I do just a bit under double the damage when two-handing any straightsword, this practically makes 2 handing a neccesity due to how bad Straight Swords are otherwise.
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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by Glutebrah on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:28 pm

    Washing pole + avelyn = legit

    Gonna make a claw + whip off hand build for the lulz


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:40 pm

    Has OP decided?

    My opinion: Light Crossbow.

    Hear me out! In Demon's Souls, I used to invade with a Sticky Compound Longbow +5 (or whatever it was, don't remember precisely, but it did absurd amounts of damage!). It either killed my opponents in a few shots, or forced them to turtle while they made their way to me. And that's when I'd pull out my Blind and kill them right through their shield--surprised the hell out of everyone!

    You can essentially do the same with your Shotel. So I'd recommend the Light Crossbow to get your opponent to turtle. I say this one rather than the Avelyn because the latter is too slow. Your opponent just dodges the first shot and doesn't need to worry about the following 2 while you're stuck in the shooting animation and then the interminable reloading animation. So it doesn't really get them turtling; just rolling a little bit. With the Light Crossbow, on the other hand, you can keep constant pressure on them and keep annoying them with it until they turtle. At which point you pull out your shotel and kill them through their shield!

    Try it, lots of fun.


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    Re: Real PVPers fight with no shield!

    Post by Toastfacekillah on Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:28 pm

    I don't use a shield- I've got a +5 lightning claw in the left. Does pretty good damage and parries well. Often catches people out because the delay before the swipe.


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