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    Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by True King Doran on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:22 pm

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    First off, I don't know how to use the dragon body at all lol! but i saw a guy on YouTube using it to great effect to stun someone and then shoot an arrow at them. The damage registers as counter damage I believe, so I was wondering if the Leo Ring could increase the damage? If nobody knows I'll just test it myself probably.
    Second, I was wondering about which rings I should use. I know most use the wolf ring for some modicum of poise, so i'll probably end up using that, but what are some other good ring choices?
    Lastly, how do the statistics look? This is the most radically different build i've ever tried before, so really any comments at all will be appreciated. Thanks in advance big grin


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:28 pm

    This is basically an "annoy people" build. Yeah, DSME posts a lot of vids using weird builds, but it's mostly to entertain viewers.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by True King Doran on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:37 pm

    okay, but any advice? I've always wanted to be an archery based character in PVP, this seems like the most viable build, so if you're saying it's pointless, well, that isn't gonna stop me twisted


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:42 pm

    Darkmoon bow with moonlight arrows, or composite/shortbow because all have fast shots. If you upgrade to plus fifteen use large arrows. If you go fire or chaos, use fire arrows. A lightning bow is pointless because there are no lightning arrrows. The damage from elemental arrows is only added if the bow has the same elemental upgrade path. You can also cancel arrow pulls by dodging.

    Having said all that, I think using dragon roar to line up shots is probably the most dull way to use a bow in PvP. It doesn't mean anything if all your shots are gimme's.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by True King Doran on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:47 pm

    Do you think a +15 bow with large arrows or a +10 fire bow with fire arrows would be more effective? +15 would probably do more damage since i'm not splitting the damage into two resistances, right?


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:52 pm

    As long as you're a dex build.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by RANT on Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:45 pm

    what you could do is make a 40/40 str/dex build and use the composite bow+15, dont put anything on faith or int, its just wasted points and its faster to heal with humanity.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Reaperfan on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:17 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:what you could do is make a 40/40 str/dex build and use the composite bow+15, dont put anything on faith or int, its just wasted points and its faster to heal with humanity.

    If you do this you could also put in a backup Dragonslayer Bow for a heavy-hitting option. Not as universally good in PvP as the Composite but it has its uses and would hit like a truck.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Wisp on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:27 pm

    Remember that you always use bows 2 handed, so you only need something like 27 strength before diminishing returns. I use them in my murakumo build (28 str)
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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:23 pm

    ^2H doesn't apply to Bows.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Wisp on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:27 pm

    Really? sad
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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:38 pm

    Try it, try wielding a Dragonslayer Great Bow with 19 Str.

    If it did apply you should be able to with only 15 str, but you need 20 str exactly. So I conclude from this and from the fact that if you hold the Comp bow in one hand and then switch to 2H it doesn't increase AR that it does not apply.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Artorias on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:45 pm

    Another bow bs build?
    or actually using the arrows?


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:46 pm

    I hate Bow BS builds -.-

    I stunlocked one dragonoid and took out 5/6ths of his health, he gets lucky and pulls off the BS for an OHK then taunts. Like glitching the game is an amazing feat -.-


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:29 pm

    i think the OP's build is more of a "stun shot' build, stun with dragon roar then fire a shot, and i don't think anyones tested whether the leo ring works with bows... it is technically a thrust weapon but so is the pickaxe and the leo doesn't work for it....


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:34 pm

    Yeah lets not give him any ideas..


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by True King Doran on Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:34 am

    God no I would never base a build entirely off of a glitch in the game!!! I would never be that guy... :x
    It's just an archery based build, and i figured the roar stun will help me pull off an extra shot or two, since all fights devolve to close-range melee usually. I've never been a fan of backstabs in the first place, even from weapons that don't OHKO you, i just don't think they're entertaining to do to another player. And I think the quality build is a good idea. I mostly just wanted the faith to use the darkmoon bow, simply because i've never used it before lol. Also, on the build calculator, a crystal composite bow or crystal black bow of pharis does a very suprising amount of damage compaired to a +15, something like 150 more base damage, i have a few black bows and two composite bows, would making at least one of each a +4 crystal bow be a good idea or a waste of time and materials?


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:47 am

    bows eat through durability really fast... so crystal is... not so good for extended battle, maybe for headshot sniping but not continuous fire mid battle...


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by True King Doran on Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:48 am

    aww damn.. might make one anyway just for fun to see how much more damage it really does, then save it for anytime i try to fight with power within or something, thanks for the tip though so i didn't waste time trying to make them


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Yarxov on Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:00 am

    The bows you picked to crystal were 1 per playthrough too, try a Crystal shortbow. You can just buy them and up them.

    Also, full dragon may not be the best, you'll need poise and if you're going to have faith why not use Force/wotg and have armor for better def and poise.


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by True King Doran on Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:09 am

    the only reason i chose the full dragon body is because of a video on youtube lol i should know by now that just because i see someone kill three or four people on youtube with a crazy build doesn't mean i can do it.. and the crystal shortbow idea is genius! thanks! WotG requires a decently high faith though, and idk if i want to put the levels in to get it since i want to keep the build at lvl 80, or 90 if absolutely necessary. I've never used emit force though actually, is it any good? I figured i could use it like pyromancy and just kind of circle around while casting it, then cast at my feet to throw away anyone around me maybe


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Yarxov on Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:18 am

    Here's why 30+ faith would work out:
    -Allows for the Darkmoon bow to be effective
    -WotG
    -Sunlight Blade on your Backup weapon like a Rapier (scales with Dex which archers need)

    Say you want 25 vit (+15 levels) 40 Dex (+45 levels) 30 faith (+65 levels) and 25 End (+80 levels)

    Level 80 with decent stats and 10 levels to spare before 90. I wouldn't recommend 100 because I just took my Favorite char from 90-100 and he now got his *** kicked 5 times in a row. First time I've ragequit DkS in awhile. I think I just messed up my favorite character :'(

    Ps The 10 levels can be divided up between Attunement and Str


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by True King Doran on Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:48 am

    hmm you, sir, make a convincing arguement. Look like it's a faith/dex marksman build then! thanks for all the help, hopefully i can get my skills up to par with all the numbers work i've done lol


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by billy_bayonet on Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:48 am

    can i recomend an occult avelyn aswell fur for extra back up if needed


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    Re: Full Dragon Archer Build Help

    Post by Yarxov on Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:35 pm

    Divine would be better, more Phys damage and since there are no magic bolts it won't split your damage as much.


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