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    Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:16 pm

    Hi!

    This build is meant to punish farmers and I tried to make it as good as possible for 3v1/2v1 situations. Here it is:

    http://tinyurl.com/7vx5jws

    I'm currently SL 79 so I can easily change it if you think it could be stronger some other way. I want to use iaito but I'm not sure what to use as a secondary weapon.

    Help me with this and I'll try to make the farming pay the price! happy

    Oh, and the armor choices are like that just because I wanted to make it look cool (black cleric's robe) and still have some poise.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:46 pm

    Really powerful build.

    2 concerns I have. Do you really need 2 weapon buffs? You probably won't be able to rebuff during a fight anyway.

    Second one is your Vitality is pretty low. You may not survive many BS. The onse you do survive, your health will be almost gone. So, you have to be really good to not get BS.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:02 pm

    I have only little experience of weapon buffs so I really don't know. I guess I could replace sunlight blade with some consumable buffs.

    I actually kinda suck at avoiding backstabs big grin
    Hmm... What if I took speckled stoneplate ring off and replace it with ring of fap for some hp and extra equip load. Then some points off from endurance and put them on vitality? That's a solution I came up with.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:36 pm

    That'll be a start. Although, IMO, you only need one buff, since you likely won't be able to buff more than once without getting BS. Dex-faith builds tend to run with lower vitality. You can also wear the MoM, if you still need more vitality.

    Another suggestion is to up your SL. Darkmoon invaders tend to invade at a higher soul level.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:57 pm

    Darkmoon invaders tend to invade at a higher soul level.

    Oh, didn't know that. Is there a specific reason for it?

    I made some changes and made it a SL 125. Could be higher but honestly I don't know where to put the points. Dex to 50?

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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:18 pm

    NP man. DM invaders usually invade lower SLs. So, if you want to invade a 120, you need to be higher.

    I would try the Iaito out at and End of 28 first. That might be a little low. But, I don't use kats much. From what I've heard, 30is end is usually fine.

    40 Vitality is usually fine. With 1800 vitality, you will be able to withstand BS and most ripostes.

    At 46 poise, you'll have to be careful about stun locks. This shouldn't be too much of a problem, since you can toggle out of them. You just need to remember to do that (I constantly forget).

    I'd try that build. It looks solid to me. If you need more endurance/equip level, you can level up.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:35 pm

    Okay. I'll try this then. I was hoping to take part in fight club with this build (without wotgs) but I'll have to consider leveling this higher than 120. Again, thanks for help. DkS community is just awesome!


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:39 pm

    Hey, come one down with this build when you get to 120. Test out your endurance there! Just keep faith at 45 and you'll be at 120. Once you figure out if that'll work for you, then level up.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:45 pm

    Seems reasonable. I'll try to get this ready for next week.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by dirkdeadeye on Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:13 am

    you got the flame equiped, so throw in great combustion

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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by Karn on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:58 am

    http://tinyurl.com/7d73rlc

    Sort of the build I've been using, instead it's a wanderer with 10 str. BSS + Leo Ring + CMW = Insane R2 damage regardless of 1h or 2h, I've 1 hit people 2handed for 1320 damage (With PW). You do some ridiculous counter damage and the range of the BSS keeps you far enough back to not be hit by them before your attack lands.

    You can switch out rings and hit over 53-54 poise with the Wolf Ring, or swap out for the RTSR when you're at low health. (Or keep the DWGR and do your thing with that, I personally don't like it, so I don't use it.)

    The build really is a power house, and makes the BSS shine, and nobody is ever expecting that much damage from an attack that isn't a BS or Parry.. Most 2-3v1s I'll gun for the host and just smash him down, Most of the time they'll either run away or try to Turtle. If they've got a GS They'll figure your poise isn't high enough to handle it and get a nasty surprise when you jam that sword into their gut. This build is kind of all-around, it's got good HP, Awesome Stamina for the BSS and deals amazing damage with a speed to make you damn near unstoppable, plus dead angling capability for the pesky people who want to turtle.

    I did my best to adapt it into a Faith build, TWOP to keep them where you want them,with the DMB maxed you'll definitely be dishing out more damage than my CMW build. You can remove points from where you feel is needed and toss them into Attunement (PW, WotGs) Honestly a few points from stamina won't hurt anything, 30-35 is more than enough. 40 for me just gives me more room for maneuverability.

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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by ilovejuice on Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:33 am

    I am leveling up a DEX/FTH build for 120SL PvP now and I tough to do it like that http://tinyurl.com/8x8x7u5 however after reading this thread I started to wonder if it won't be better to move some points from VIT and END to get FTH up to 50, weaker armor and hp, more dmg - http://tinyurl.com/7sqfep7 what do you think? happy
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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:25 am

    ^^ Is this for Forest invasions? If so, then drop one of your attunement slots and put the 2 points into End. You probably won't be able to rebuff in the forest. The GScythe uses up a lot of stamina. Also, use the Darkmoon Talisman with 50 Faith.

    Vit of 35 is a little low, but with MoM and FaP, your HP should be fine.

    Another thing to consider is drop 4 points from Str (so Str of 10) and 2H the GS. 2H is the only way to go with this weapon. The moveset is much better, and it is stronger.

    DMB GScythe will be really really powerful. You'll love it.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by ilovejuice on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:06 pm

    It's not for forest, I am going for120SL kiln PvP/Fight club.
    Can't drop 2points from STR, 12 is base for cleric which is still the best starting class. But i think I will leave 12 as you said. Also i just forgot to change talisman in character builder happy

    So considering it's for 120SL PvP/FC which option should I pick: http://tinyurl.com/7dfajm4 or http://tinyurl.com/756z73c ? And ATT 12 is rly better? or maybe raise it to 14/16 for pyro/more miracles. I guess STR stays at base level. And is VIT/END balance good or should I change something? What would you do? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks for help happy
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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by Yog on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:16 pm

    Fin : I play a dex/faith build DMB who hunts in the forest. I like your build although I would really suggest going 12 levels higher for 40 end. Stamina is life. Hunting in the forest isn't like dueling. You're going to get mobbed. You don't want to limit your level if hunting in the forest is what you want to do. If I were you I would make a different toon for FC.

    I respectfully disagree with reim about getting off multiple buffs in the forest. I attune 3 SLB and every now and then I need them all. Trick is to build some distance and put some trees between you and them or run to the ent mob. Also very rarely you'll find an honor duel, which will get interrupted. It's nice to be able to stand back until the line skipper gets dealt with, bow, heal, rebuff and continue.

    Also if you're still looking for a secondary weapon with a kat, may I suggest a lightning avelyn with lightning bolts. Nice surprise for gankers with AoE spells.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:52 pm

    Yog - I'll take your word for it. I'm not very good at manipulating 3 vs 1 fights. But, I assumed any forest hunter would keep the pressure on and not let you rebuff. So, that changes things now. So, Fin, now you got some other options to work with.

    juice - most people in the FC don't buff, but you certainly can. That is a tough decision. If you are just starting out, I would go with the higher vitality, lower faith. 30 faith is strong enough for buffing. You'll have 400 more HP and more endurance. It's easier to have 40 end with the GScythe.

    But, the armor choice has excessive poise. You really don't need to be higher than 77. I'd shoot for either 54-56 or 77. Anything higher is not really necessary, IMO. If you don't mind being cliche, you can use the Giant's armor/gloves/leggings. That gets you 77 poise, really good defense. That would be a good start.

    That's how I would approach it.



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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:48 pm

    Yog, Thanks for the advice. I'll consider making another toon for FC. I like avelyn, but that means I should get my strength to 16. I'll think about it.

    This is what I came up with:

    http://tinyurl.com/86opfa2

    I hate havel's set, but since I'm using dwgr, mom, ring of fap and grass crest shield I'm not being that creative anyway big grin And this build isn't going for fair duels so I suppose I can live with myself.

    For Karn, thanks for the advice. Your build seems great, but I already have so much faith that I can't do mine like that anymore


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by Yog on Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:56 pm

    You're welcome sir. If you're interested I wear the full dark set, DWGR and the wolf ring. Gives me 80 poise and good mobility. Also it makes me look like Skeletor! Oh and I carry a heater shield for parrying.

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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:06 pm

    Fin - that build looks great.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:22 pm

    Yog wrote:Are you on PSN or XBL?

    Unfortunately I'm on psn. That would've been cool. But we can always share our hunting stories here winking

    reim0027 wrote:Fin - that build looks great.

    Thanks! Now it's just up to my skills. I ordered a capture card while back and I thought about making some videos of my invasions to get some advice from you.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by Yog on Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:28 pm

    I would love to see your hunting vids. Btw have you checked out the "For the Glory of Alvina" Thread in the covenant section? Tons of good advice on forest invasion there and the guys are all really helpful. They helped me out a bunch when I started invading the forest.


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by FinPeku on Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:42 pm

    Yeah, I've read it. I was actually going to post the videos there. But it will take some time. I don't even have the capture card yet. And yes, those guys are great happy I guess you got to have some sense of humor to enjoy being ganked time after time big grin


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    Re: Dex/Faith build for forest invasions

    Post by Yog on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:07 pm

    Glad to hear you read the thread. Well I look forward to the videos no matter how long it takes. It's good to have another DMB in the forest!

    Fighting against the odds grows on you. It helps that the average ganker is nowhere near as good as the average duelist.


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