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    Playing against spears.

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:51 am

    I've always had a hard time dealing with spear players. Particularly the players who turtle, have high DEF/poise, and flip ring. The only thing I did that ever worked was roll BS. So I figured I'd just use the spear myself and see what other people do to counter it. I've had twenty-something matches, and so far, guys, it's been easy mode. People have noticeably more hesitation just seeing that you have a spear. People try to sprint BS--flip away, jab. Try to run in for the guard break--flip away, jab. Try to parry--yeah right, jab. Try to poise BS--jab, flip away, jab. Cast sorcery/miracles--flip, jab. When people try to circle out of the hitbox, I just unlock and jab in the direction they're circling. Seriously, what is this weapons weakness?


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by LordRevan on Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:54 am

    Shotel.

    Well that's how I deal with it anyway...


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:56 am

    That's assuming you can get in close enough (it's got junk reach), that they don't evadr, and that they're turtling. Assume none of that is true. Then what?


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Sulfur on Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:59 am

    I just wail on them dual wielding my sword, it usually does the trick after 3 hits, then they start panicing knowing i can break their guard.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Rynn on Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:59 am

    Magic.
    Pyromancy
    Wrath of Gods.
    Longer Spears and scythes.
    Stamina Exhaustion.

    The problem is, most opponents won't ever try to outlive you.

    As for the shotel, most people misjudge that things hitbox SO HARD. Two hand it, push R2 from the same distance as the spear... ??? PROFIT!
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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by LordRevan on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:00 am

    For the reach: I always roll towards them to gain the distance fast

    If they evade: Well then they didn't hit either so... nothing really happens there...

    If they aren't turtling: Then any normal tactics you use apply

    Also as he ^^ just said, always 2hand it.

    Also Magic/Pyro/Miracles all work but I didn't include them because that depends on your build and you seemed pretty melee focused


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:11 am

    Thing is, you don't guard break someone who evades. Plus, if they're using a medium shield and you spam, they'll probably slam dunk a parry/riposte. Most experienced players will quit turtling when they see the shotel and just distance poke, then turtle again if you put it away. It really only works against people who are totally committed to turtling. As far as both theyds evading, I'd still argue they'd get a few pokes in here and there and eventually outdamage you. The only thing I've seen so far that really works is to also have a spear and just stomp harder with it.

    I'm only being this particular and critical to get down to what is truly the best strategy under varying circumstance. All suggestions are appreciated, guys. Thanks.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Rynn on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:14 am

    Here was my turtling and anti-turtle build. pick and pull as you see fit, but make sure to have 40 dex and a imbue for the Shotel.
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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:19 am

    DEAD ANGLE. Over and over again.

    And I'm perfectly capable of parrying spears, its not easy but its definitely do-able. So if you know what your doing, its a valid response,

    Or wait for you to roll away after a poke and roll into your roll and bs you.
    Once you know what you're doing, turtling is only tough to deal with when you're also using thrust weapons and even then dead angles are possible, they're just hard.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:21 am

    Try to stunlock a turtle (if you have a heavy weapon). They take some poise damage, and if you break their guard you can stunlock them to death. Very effective if they are intoxicated, their endurance regen drops, you have to be very aggressive. (May not always work, but try).

    Edit: Just did it now with a Eagle shield turtle, although he wasn't using spear, but I broke his guard with my GLGS.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:24 am

    While we're at it, force or wog spam witt break a guard in a hell of a hurry.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:34 am

    I like where this is headed.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:48 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wk7-Iy7-8A

    In case a reader doesn't know how to dead angle


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:26 am

    After a decent amount of gameplay, I can say one strategy that works nearly all the time is to live in Japan. There's no escaping the tractor beam BS.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:32 am

    Its just as crazy on their screen when you bs them. Its not japan itself its the distance. I have more issues with european players because i live on Americas west coast so Japan is closer to me.

    Please remember that before making further pseudo-racist remarks.
    (not saying you're racist just to be very clear, I'm saying the remarks could be seen that way, hence the use of pseudo as a quantifier)
    I know its easy to generalise but you're bound to offend someone.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:12 am

    Living in Japan was just a reference to the distance between where I am and where Japan is, which contributes to lag. I didn't say "be Japanese". I simply said be there.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Tolvo on Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:10 am

    The weakness of spears? In my experience Riposte, unless a person is a roll away turtle in which case I just go for the BS because there is no way for me to win this otherwise. For a roll away turtle it's only annoying with the longer spears, Demon, Dragonslayer, Silver Knight. Other than that I don't mind spears.
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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by meridam99 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:44 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Its just as crazy on their screen when you bs them. Its not japan itself its the distance. I have more issues with european players because i live on Americas west coast so Japan is closer to me.

    Please remember that before making further pseudo-racist remarks.
    (not saying you're racist just to be very clear, I'm saying the remarks could be seen that way, hence the use of pseudo as a quantifier)
    I know its easy to generalise but you're bound to offend someone.

    Thanks Pirate for going there so I wouldn't have to.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by sinisterapathy on Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:52 am

    Im sorry but how was what he said even remotely racist? lol never mind dont answer that

    Anyways on topic i always TRY to parry...doesnt always work but when it does the are pretty much out of luck cause even if they survive they are either freaking out and letting their guard down or are just scard to attack..then its just a matter of time. big grin...course i usually die trying to parry lol
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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by reim0027 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:32 am

    Spears are one of my banes too. Especially when they 2H it. I will turtle a spear with my rapier and trade pokey for pokey.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Yesuurd on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:37 am

    I'll backstab, WOG, TWOP, kick, taunt, use magic, use posion arrows, dung pie, parry and all I can think of.

    Btw-Great idea using a shotel, had never thought about it, one could even say
    that weapon was made with that very intent in mind.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Tolvo on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:39 am

    Well, yeah. That's literally the entire point of its R2 Yesuurd haha. silly
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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by Yesuurd on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:40 am

    Tolvo get out with your 190 IQ!!! u r making me look bad.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by RANT on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:44 am

    all my builds have faith so i always go with wog or force but i use poison knives and dung pies sometimes.


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    Re: Playing against spears.

    Post by befowler on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:53 am

    I kick to bait a thrust, then parry.


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