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    Post by Rynn on Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:30 am

    I was experimenting with equipment to see how to maximize pyromancy today, pretty much just trying to confirm what I want to post in the Pyromancy thread is absolutely true...

    Well, I was *** around in the forest with Great Combustion. lower my HP below 20%, equip bellowing dragoncrest and the dusk crown, and see how much damage I do... Well the damage is a bit over 1,300 on invaders... and this isn't even a powerful spell.

    My sincere question about this, is why don't people do this type of glass cannoning more often, I'm not even referring to PvP here! I just one-shot the 4 Kings, and Gwynn fell over after a single crystal homing soul mass... I punched an enemy (just punched) with my pyromancy hand for 450 damage, and it just seems like a deadly combination.

    My best hit is 2,300 with Chaos Firestorm, the second most deadly spell was Crystal Homing Soul Mass, coming in at 2120 for a combined 5 hits. While I guess this might not be practical if your not very good at dodging, it seemed like a very deadly combo, I'm shocked it's not used more often.

    I also have a Demon Spear, +4. I only have 12 strength and 15 dexterity, the bare minimum to carry it, so it's not too damaging, but it's my backup weapon to deal with people once I run out of spells, or in PvE, to deal with the enemies that aren't worth a spell cast. If I actually run out of spells, the weapon has an attack rating of 567 when I'm in this state, so despite not having the proper stats to use it, the weapon does an insane amount of damage, higher then most players have on their gear, and the spear is a very long weapon, so I can safely poke at you from a distance. 270 of the damage rating will be lightning once it's +5.

    Great Combustion isn't the most potent pyromancy, I'm curious on what damage I can get with this spell type when I use Chaos Fire Whip, especially once I get around to ascending my pyromancy glove. Also, my Catalyst that I'm casting the spells from is only the Sorcerers Catalyst, so I have a lot more magic adjust I can get my hands on, and I'm wondering just how high my spells can hit.

    I've had a lot of people send me nasty PM's today, accusing me of hacking, or otherwise cheating when I one shot them, sometimes through their shields. On the other hand... I have had a LOT of wonderful co-op matches with hosts, once I explain to stop healing me so I can keep my health low. Wiping out nearly any boss in less then 7 seconds is a wonderful coop advantage, and has had several people begging me to follow them to the next area, or otherwise sending me amazed messages asking wtf happened.

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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by Saturnine Knight on Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:41 am

    Oh yeah, all the time. My Forest Hunter is more of a glass archer, though. It and the Dragonslayer bow are a nice combo. I play low level, so more often than not most hits on me in PvP are kill shots anyways, I might as well milk the system for most damage. If they're close enough to melee me, I'm doing it wrong.

    I usually use the Dusk ring to halve my HP, then a Mimic helm from there to take me to my desired state.


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by PlasticandRage on Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:46 am

    I used a lot of glass tactics in Demon's; haven't really tried it in Dark though. Demon's gives you a few different things you can stack for just obscene amounts of low health damage. It's not quite as obvious in Dark I guess.


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:50 am

    More people do builds like this than you would think.

    I've seen builds that have 40str 40dex and 40 faith using dmb and power within, combined with the dragon body and red tearstone ring. Dealing buffed weapon hits well over 1000 damage and spells I'm sure are right up there. One shotting most enemies at sl 120.

    Caroso has a few glass cannon builds on youtube.


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by sen545331 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:52 am

    i have a mage character that does power within, bellowing dragoncrest, red tearstone, and dusk crown

    my highlight was CSS using the TCC at 50 int, doing something like 3k damage, or close to

    not sure if dragon roar effects it as well

    i had an old post somewheres around here with numbers....hmm

    EDIT: can't seem to find my old post, but i remember doing a breakdown with the different damage numbers and the various damage increasing effects. all except the dragon roar since i didn't have it
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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by russiannightmare on Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:08 am

    @Kujii did I read that right your flame isn't ascended? I have 2 fully ascended flames on one of my toons and if you were able to get 1300 damage from it oh the possiblities. twisted I think I'll have to do some pvp this morning to see what kind of damage I get from them.
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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by Rin on Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:40 am

    your damage was increased by a lot from the red ts but that left u with wery little hp people dont use tearstone tactics as its too risky specialy when spells r easy to bs punish

    edit: i was doing OnS with 2 of my friends at sl 120 they were cosplaing as OnS a red ts user invades runs up n killes them both with 1 wotg


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by kiwi_commander on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:52 am

    Kujii wrote:I was experimenting with equipment to see how to maximize pyromancy today, pretty much just trying to confirm what I want to post in the Pyromancy thread is absolutely true...

    Well, I was *** around in the forest with Great Combustion. lower my HP below 20%, equip bellowing dragoncrest and the dusk crown, and see how much damage I do... Well the damage is a bit over 1,300 on invaders... and this isn't even a powerful spell.

    My sincere question about this, is why don't people do this type of glass cannoning more often, I'm not even referring to PvP here! I just one-shot the 4 Kings, and Gwynn fell over after a single crystal homing soul mass... I punched an enemy (just punched) with my pyromancy hand for 450 damage, and it just seems like a deadly combination.

    My best hit is 2,300 with Chaos Firestorm, the second most deadly spell was Crystal Homing Soul Mass, coming in at 2120 for a combined 5 hits. While I guess this might not be practical if your not very good at dodging, it seemed like a very deadly combo, I'm shocked it's not used more often.

    I also have a Demon Spear, +4. I only have 12 strength and 15 dexterity, the bare minimum to carry it, so it's not too damaging, but it's my backup weapon to deal with people once I run out of spells, or in PvE, to deal with the enemies that aren't worth a spell cast. If I actually run out of spells, the weapon has an attack rating of 567 when I'm in this state, so despite not having the proper stats to use it, the weapon does an insane amount of damage, higher then most players have on their gear, and the spear is a very long weapon, so I can safely poke at you from a distance. 270 of the damage rating will be lightning once it's +5.

    Great Combustion isn't the most potent pyromancy, I'm curious on what damage I can get with this spell type when I use Chaos Fire Whip, especially once I get around to ascending my pyromancy glove. Also, my Catalyst that I'm casting the spells from is only the Sorcerers Catalyst, so I have a lot more magic adjust I can get my hands on, and I'm wondering just how high my spells can hit.

    I've had a lot of people send me nasty PM's today, accusing me of hacking, or otherwise cheating when I one shot them, sometimes through their shields. On the other hand... I have had a LOT of wonderful co-op matches with hosts, once I explain to stop healing me so I can keep my health low. Wiping out nearly any boss in less then 7 seconds is a wonderful coop advantage, and has had several people begging me to follow them to the next area, or otherwise sending me amazed messages asking wtf happened.

    Thoughts?

    Actually, you just gave me a great idea. Joy I am currently doing my Shiva of the East build (just need to post it) and I was thinking what would be my next one. I already have Dusk of Oolacile built but she turned out to be a generic mage build. Turning this cosplay build into a Glass Dusk would work perfectly as Dusk is a frail character. Not to mention it would be really fun to play that way through both PVP and PVE

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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by Yesuurd on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:57 am

    I just made a dragon glass cannon and I am loving it, need to use it at FC and invading but the whole idea of it and I tested some stuff at PVE, not many people know about these builds or are willing to part with vitality etc... also to use them I think you have to be an adept to experienced player.


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by Rynn on Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:57 pm

    russiannightmare wrote:@Kujii did I read that right your flame isn't ascended? I have 2 fully ascended flames on one of my toons and if you were able to get 1300 damage from it oh the possiblities. twisted I think I'll have to do some pvp this morning to see what kind of damage I get from them.
    My flame is only [A]+1 right now.

    @Rin: well, with how prevelant backstabs are on the X-box, a lot of the time my duels end in a single hit anyway, I might as well milk it for all it's worth.

    @Kiwi Commander: Use the minimum 15 inteligience and the Oolacile catalyst if you're planning on doing that... then you keep the build at a really low level, so that you don't loose too much power from the Catalyst being bad.
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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by kiwi_commander on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:01 pm

    Kujii wrote:
    russiannightmare wrote:@Kujii did I read that right your flame isn't ascended? I have 2 fully ascended flames on one of my toons and if you were able to get 1300 damage from it oh the possiblities. twisted I think I'll have to do some pvp this morning to see what kind of damage I get from them.
    My flame is only [A]+1 right now.

    @Rin: well, with how prevelant backstabs are on the X-box, a lot of the time my duels end in a single hit anyway, I might as well milk it for all it's worth.

    @Kiwi Commander: Use the minimum 15 inteligience and the Oolacile catalyst if you're planning on doing that... then you keep the build at a really low level, so that you don't loose too much power from the Catalyst being bad.

    Yeah, right now the build is at 80 with 50 INT. I will have to check exactly what I have on it at home. Most likely I will end up rebuilding it for Darkwraith Glass Dusk... or just modify this one with crystal catalyst.
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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by Rynn on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:04 pm

    I just casted Fire Tempest in the forest and killed 3 gankers in one spell. I've never seen so much hatemail.
    Also, I do 90% of lord Gwynn's HP in a single spell... guess I need to go get the TCC so that it's a one shot...
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    Post by RANT on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:26 pm

    a lot of people that do low sl runs have to do stuff like that.


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:52 pm

    do you wear armor while doing this? cause at 20% hp its not gonna help much and if your not wearing dwgr it be best to get the fast roll.... oh god try caestus' with a build like this....


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:38 pm

    I already fight one of "you" guys. It was a guy in full Sealers' Set except he wears Dusk Crown. He used Bellowing and Red Tearstone rings. And Tin Crystallization Catalyst. I shot him 1 time with my bow. BAM dead.


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:46 pm

    Definitely a glass cannon there. I might try seeing as I usually get 2 shotted alot but it doesn't exactly seem practical in ng+ too me. Hm I'll dedicate a build to this at a later date.


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    Post by Buggy Virus on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:18 pm

    I don't understand, how can you have the red tearstone, bellowing dragon crest, and the dusk crown at the same time?

    On a side note, does the dragon crest also increase pyromancy?


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:33 pm

    yes to the dragoncrest+pyro, and the dusk crown their talking about isn't the ring but the helmet that increases sorcery power while decresing magic defense


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    Post by Yarxov on Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:12 pm

    Oh god if the Burg griefers hear about this power boosting...


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:42 am

    there too cowardly to risk being at 20% health. they just use dc ring with dusk crown and full pyro hand and one shot all the newbies through their shields


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    Post by Yarxov on Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:36 am

    True, but if they do take the risk that hit will obliterate them sad


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by ChizFreak on Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:33 pm

    Yarxov wrote:True, but if they do take the risk that hit will obliterate them sad

    If they get the hit, and if they don't get hit even ONCE before trying. Most weapons take more 20% of your life per hit. And as I said, most glass cannons have low health, so I can kill them safely with my Composite Bow +15 (420ish pure phys damage I believe).


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:09 pm

    And they can roll bs you when you try, And you can counter bs them when they try, and they can counter roll bs that, and you can counter pivot bs that ect, ect.

    Point being, bring up flaws or weakness is good, but specific tactics will just get convoluted and distract from the point.


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    Post by ChizFreak on Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:53 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:And they can roll bs you when you try, And you can counter bs them when they try, and they can counter roll bs that, and you can counter pivot bs that ect, ect.

    Point being, bring up flaws or weakness is good, but specific tactics will just get convoluted and distract from the point.

    What I meant it's that it's easier to land a single hit with a weapon, than a single hit with magic.


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    Re: Red Tearstone Ring

    Post by vageta31 on Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:13 pm

    Good players will notice the tearstone aura and play it safe. Trying to hit even average players with sorcery spells is hard, hitting a good player is near impossible unless you can set them up on a narrow straightaway where they can't dodge. And if you can do that... then they aren't so good right?
    It's more possible with great combustion, but it's risky. You'll die a lot most likely so it's mostly for show as you might have just beat them normally but ended up losing to one of their lucky swings.


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