PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Share
    avatar
    theAnimus
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 303
    Reputation : -3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : The Shape

    PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by theAnimus on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:39 pm

    First off let me make clear, please let's try to keep this within the boundaries of the forum guidelines. I'd like to be able to discuss a matter such as this, which is clearly so dividing, without having it reduced to flame wars and thread locking. I suspect that sarcasm and minor pot-shots would be all in good fun, but let's not force the new shiny admin's hands.

    Deal?


    Last edited by theAnimus on Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
    avatar
    Carphil
    Chat Moderator

    Posts : 4921
    Reputation : 90
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 21
    Location : Brazil

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Carphil on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:41 pm

    It depends on the person own thoughts. For me is honorable, even if I die, I pretend to not matter too much. But some people feel guilty and angry because the other player was "cheap" when he backstabbed while in bow animation


    _________________
    It may take a day or ten thousand years, but I will find her. This is a promise.

    I'm not the chosen one, I'm the one who chose to be more.

    Carphil_BR on PSN :bas:
    avatar
    aceluby
    Insomniac
    Insomniac

    Posts : 1208
    Reputation : 46
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 34
    Location : Minneapolis, MN

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by aceluby on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:42 pm

    theAnimus wrote:First off let me make clear, please let's try to keep this within the boundaries of the forum guidelines. I'd like to be able to discuss a matter such as this, which is clearly so dividing, without having it reduced to flame wars and thread locking. I suspect that sarcasm and minor pot-shots would be all in good fun, but let's not force the new shiny admin's hands.

    Deal?

    Alright. This comes up a lot, and I'm just wondering where you all stand. A lot of you will bow blindly, even if you're invaded, assuming that your opponent would do the same. Is this an honorable thing, or a foolish thing?

    I bow if I invade, sometimes when I'm invaded, but not always. Depends on what I'm trying to accomplish. After bowing anything goes for the most part, I never try for backstabs, I find grabbing... I mean 'backstabs' to be boring.


    _________________
    Aceluby on PSN, add me!

    SL41 Pyro/Dex Sephiroth cosplay
    SL120 Fth/Int Pure Caster
    SL120 Fth DW
    SL120 Int DW
    avatar
    Toastfacekillah
    Addicted
    Addicted

    Posts : 173
    Reputation : 5
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : Sydney, Australia

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Toastfacekillah on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:44 pm

    Kinda depends - If I'm looking for PVP, I'll bow (hoping it will set the 'tone' for the fight) but I'll keep it to the short one and stay well back. I do it everytime regardless of being invader/invadee and I don't care if they do it back. However, if I get invaded while I'm PVE'ing (and don't have my PVP gear on), I'll just try to get rid of them as quickly as possible so anything goes.
    avatar
    theAnimus
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 303
    Reputation : -3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : The Shape

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by theAnimus on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:47 pm

    Okay... So when bowing, are you assuming the enemy is going to bow back? If he doesn't, do you hold it against him? If you're invaded and you bow to the invader, he stabs you in the back mid-bow, do you call him cheap?

    It seems to me like you're asking for it a bit, assuming others will have the same boundaries as you.
    avatar
    Serious_Much
    Moderator Trainee
    Moderator Trainee

    Posts : 14641
    Reputation : 287
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 24
    Location : The Dark Side of the Moon

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:49 pm

    theAnimus wrote:First off let me make clear, please let's try to keep this within the boundaries of the forum guidelines. I'd like to be able to discuss a matter such as this, which is clearly so dividing, without having it reduced to flame wars and thread locking. I suspect that sarcasm and minor pot-shots would be all in good fun, but let's not force the new shiny admin's hands.

    Deal?

    Alright. This comes up a lot, and I'm just wondering where you all stand. A lot of you will bow blindly, even if you're invaded, assuming that your opponent would do the same. Is this an honorable thing, or a foolish thing?

    LOL I absolutely love this post..

    I bow cus im a nice guy, but i go for BS if they offer it on a platter.


    _________________
    PSN and other stuff:
    PSN: HolyPK9 "You are free to sever the chains of fate that bind you"

    Sage Andarta, Founder of the Crystal Seekers; The Noble Knights

    Principal GremSay of the Karmatic Gremlin Gang

    Moderator of the Wiki Chatroom- Come join the fun  cheers

    PRAISE. THE. SUN. lol!
    avatar
    ChizFreak
    Revived
    Revived

    Posts : 2388
    Reputation : 135
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : Eye of Terror

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:50 pm

    I only bow if the following things happens:

    1) The opponent it's at a safe distance, so if I bow, I won't get backstabbed.
    2) He bows first.
    3) He doesn't attack, in any form, before he bows.

    Sometimes I bow first because if the opponent bows, I may have time to buff my weapons/myself.

    I never bow first unless I need a buff, or I already won the battle.


    _________________
    ChizFreak
    A.K.A
    The Ninja Assassin - 1st Leeroy Cosplayer
    Master Backstabber - Daddy Long Legs


    PSN ID: ChizFreak - Steam ID: ChizFreak - YT: http://www.youtube.com/user/ChizFreak
    avatar
    Carphil
    Chat Moderator

    Posts : 4921
    Reputation : 90
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 21
    Location : Brazil

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Carphil on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:50 pm

    Look, if I bow and he does not, he tries to attack me while I was bowing but I survive, then finish him off, I do the "shrug" or "look skyward (for me its facepalm)", If they bow and we have a clean fight, and I defeat him, I bow again because he fought in a honorable way.


    _________________
    It may take a day or ten thousand years, but I will find her. This is a promise.

    I'm not the chosen one, I'm the one who chose to be more.

    Carphil_BR on PSN :bas:
    avatar
    aceluby
    Insomniac
    Insomniac

    Posts : 1208
    Reputation : 46
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 34
    Location : Minneapolis, MN

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by aceluby on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:55 pm

    theAnimus wrote:Okay... So when bowing, are you assuming the enemy is going to bow back? If he doesn't, do you hold it against him? If you're invaded and you bow to the invader, he stabs you in the back mid-bow, do you call him cheap?

    It seems to me like you're asking for it a bit, assuming others will have the same boundaries as you.

    No assumptions, it happens, but if I win he's getting the 'well what is it' or facepalm.



    If I lose I call him cheap lol


    _________________
    Aceluby on PSN, add me!

    SL41 Pyro/Dex Sephiroth cosplay
    SL120 Fth/Int Pure Caster
    SL120 Fth DW
    SL120 Int DW
    avatar
    theAnimus
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 303
    Reputation : -3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : The Shape

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by theAnimus on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:56 pm

    Lol okay. So then it isn't about honor, it's about winning/losing.
    avatar
    aceluby
    Insomniac
    Insomniac

    Posts : 1208
    Reputation : 46
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 34
    Location : Minneapolis, MN

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by aceluby on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:58 pm

    theAnimus wrote:Lol okay. So then it isn't about honor, it's about winning/losing.

    It is when honor is thrown out the window... what else is there?


    _________________
    Aceluby on PSN, add me!

    SL41 Pyro/Dex Sephiroth cosplay
    SL120 Fth/Int Pure Caster
    SL120 Fth DW
    SL120 Int DW
    avatar
    Carphil
    Chat Moderator

    Posts : 4921
    Reputation : 90
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 21
    Location : Brazil

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Carphil on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:59 pm

    If you fought well, but lost, you were honorable. However if you ninja flipped and missed the backstab and got stunlocked, if are not honorable. My opinion.


    _________________
    It may take a day or ten thousand years, but I will find her. This is a promise.

    I'm not the chosen one, I'm the one who chose to be more.

    Carphil_BR on PSN :bas:
    avatar
    ChizFreak
    Revived
    Revived

    Posts : 2388
    Reputation : 135
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : Eye of Terror

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:00 pm

    If I win, and the other tried to backstab me/the only thing he tried to do are backstabs. I just do the facepalm. But if we both bow before the fight, he fights well, and he or me wins, I usually send an GG message.


    _________________
    ChizFreak
    A.K.A
    The Ninja Assassin - 1st Leeroy Cosplayer
    Master Backstabber - Daddy Long Legs


    PSN ID: ChizFreak - Steam ID: ChizFreak - YT: http://www.youtube.com/user/ChizFreak
    avatar
    Carphil
    Chat Moderator

    Posts : 4921
    Reputation : 90
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 21
    Location : Brazil

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Carphil on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:04 pm

    Gee Gee!


    _________________
    It may take a day or ten thousand years, but I will find her. This is a promise.

    I'm not the chosen one, I'm the one who chose to be more.

    Carphil_BR on PSN :bas:
    avatar
    Godless Servant
    Casual
    Casual

    Posts : 73
    Reputation : 0
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : Canada

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Godless Servant on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:04 pm

    If you use the red soapstone then bow and no one heals.

    Anything else and all bets are off. imo


    _________________
    Xbox SL 35, 87, 241 just ask for help.
    avatar
    Scudman_Slayer
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 595
    Reputation : 4
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 25
    Location : you'd like to know that wouldn't you?

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:06 pm

    I play fair until the end of the battle but if i see the guy trying to backstab/lagstab/pivot me well i become the cheapest meanest person you've ever saw

    i'll heal and use force miracle to knock you on your ass if i see you trying to backstab me,as soon as you getu p you'll be greeted by my gretasword of artorias two-handed 2R attack knocking you down again


    yeah...i play fair as long as my opponent does so too


    _________________
    "Give in to the darkness"

    "Accept its powers"

    "stay out of the light"

    "and become my puppet!"

    "even if you resist as long as you hold dark powers each life you take will bring me close to owning you completely!


    *this plays*

    "you cannot escape,once you have been chosen to be host you cannot turn around and refuse me...i will make you my puppet!"
    avatar
    Carphil
    Chat Moderator

    Posts : 4921
    Reputation : 90
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 21
    Location : Brazil

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Carphil on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:09 pm

    Greatsword of Artorias still my fave, not sure why lol! I just can't use a weapon for a long time without missing Artorias sword


    _________________
    It may take a day or ten thousand years, but I will find her. This is a promise.

    I'm not the chosen one, I'm the one who chose to be more.

    Carphil_BR on PSN :bas:
    avatar
    theAnimus
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 303
    Reputation : -3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : The Shape

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by theAnimus on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:13 pm

    Godless Servant wrote:If you use the red soapstone then bow and no one heals.

    Anything else and all bets are off. imo

    This tends to be along my lines of thinking. I guess considering the Kiln is a makeshift duel arena, things are different there as well.

    And I'm not sure Honor has anything to do with other player's cheap tactics? How can you claim to be honorable when you are willing to throw your integrity out the window at the drop of a hat?
    avatar
    k0rruptid
    Addicted
    Addicted

    Posts : 119
    Reputation : 3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 25
    Location : United Kingdom

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by k0rruptid on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:14 pm

    bowing is definatly not foolish, but some people will just try to backstab you. it just symbolizes you want a fair fight, clearly the person backstabbing you didnt want a fair fight.


    _________________
    avatar
    Scudman_Slayer
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 595
    Reputation : 4
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 25
    Location : you'd like to know that wouldn't you?

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:16 pm

    Carphil wrote:Greatsword of Artorias still my fave, not sure why lol! I just can't use a weapon for a long time without missing Artorias sword

    i agree i like the sword


    although its underrated as *** by a lot of people


    _________________
    "Give in to the darkness"

    "Accept its powers"

    "stay out of the light"

    "and become my puppet!"

    "even if you resist as long as you hold dark powers each life you take will bring me close to owning you completely!


    *this plays*

    "you cannot escape,once you have been chosen to be host you cannot turn around and refuse me...i will make you my puppet!"
    avatar
    aceluby
    Insomniac
    Insomniac

    Posts : 1208
    Reputation : 46
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 34
    Location : Minneapolis, MN

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by aceluby on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:24 pm

    theAnimus wrote:
    Godless Servant wrote:If you use the red soapstone then bow and no one heals.

    Anything else and all bets are off. imo

    This tends to be along my lines of thinking. I guess considering the Kiln is a makeshift duel arena, things are different there as well.

    And I'm not sure Honor has anything to do with other player's cheap tactics? How can you claim to be honorable when you are willing to throw your integrity out the window at the drop of a hat?

    Because it's all about fun in the end. Honorable duels are the most funn IMO. If your opponent refuses to have an honorable duel preventing getting ganked is a lot more fun than getting killed IMO.


    _________________
    Aceluby on PSN, add me!

    SL41 Pyro/Dex Sephiroth cosplay
    SL120 Fth/Int Pure Caster
    SL120 Fth DW
    SL120 Int DW

    Cloudrunner
    Casual
    Casual

    Posts : 39
    Reputation : 3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 27
    Location : Ash Lake

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Cloudrunner on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:28 pm

    Hey look, a more appropriate spot than that other thread for a discussion such as this.

    IMO, a 2v1 or 3v1 fight will always be dishonorable and cowardly. Specifically the type that hang around Kiln and immediately unload with things like WoG and TWoP with their white phantom buddies as soon as the invader spawns. Of course, there's nothing to be done about it. And I don't ever feel like wasting my time bitching at them (Ugh I hate PMs). But I still have no problem branding them as cowards and moving somewhere else.

    As far as 1v1... I've had more than enough invasions to know not to expect the host to follow any sort of "standards" so I don't either. If they're bowing (I've given up on bowing myself) or preparing then I'll take that time to prepare myself, otherwise it's straight to the fight.
    avatar
    theAnimus
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 303
    Reputation : -3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Location : The Shape

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by theAnimus on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:59 pm

    A 3v1 waiting for you at Kiln that just spams WoG and TWoP is complete cliche at this point, and should be laughed and enjoyed as such. Yeah, it's annoying, but let it end quick and it's on to the next one.

    So what consists of unfair to you guys? Chugging? Spamming? Backstabbing? Seems extremely subjective
    avatar
    k0rruptid
    Addicted
    Addicted

    Posts : 119
    Reputation : 3
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 25
    Location : United Kingdom

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by k0rruptid on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:17 pm

    how are any greatswords under rated? probably the average weapon when it comes to a balance of speed/stun/damage, everyone uses greatswords, so definatly not under rated.


    _________________
    avatar
    Scudman_Slayer
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 595
    Reputation : 4
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 25
    Location : you'd like to know that wouldn't you?

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:23 pm

    k0rruptid wrote:how are any greatswords under rated? probably the average weapon when it comes to a balance of speed/stun/damage, everyone uses greatswords, so definatly not under rated.


    they're not they're good they're balanced i know but

    the greatsword of artorias is the only underrated greatsword due to it needing you to be lvl 180 or so to make it do some good damage

    and most stop at lvl 120 so you get my point right?



    _________________
    "Give in to the darkness"

    "Accept its powers"

    "stay out of the light"

    "and become my puppet!"

    "even if you resist as long as you hold dark powers each life you take will bring me close to owning you completely!


    *this plays*

    "you cannot escape,once you have been chosen to be host you cannot turn around and refuse me...i will make you my puppet!"

    Sponsored content

    Re: PvP Honor - An Intelligent Discussion

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:35 pm