Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

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    Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by Rockstar2112 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:40 pm

    I'm trying to decide which is better (and which one to level to +5 since if GoA isn't worth it I don't want to waste 5 demon titanite) but the internet doesn't help very much. I'm taking into account that Havel's has the better resistances and that cool buff, but the Artorias one requires less strength, weighs less and has better stability, plus I think blocking with it stops negative status effects completely.

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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by Wade_Wilson on Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:44 pm

    Its quite hard to compare the two as they have many differences, as you noted in the OP. It really comes down to personal choice. I personally like Havel's shield for its high resistances: 100/90/80/80, which means if Im using a fat rolling tank class I can equip it and absorb almost any attack.


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:48 pm

    Artorias


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by Akatik on Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:54 pm

    Artorias.


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:58 pm

    Bloodshield.....Wait....Artorias out of those choices.

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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:01 pm

    Does Artorias block bleed? Because that's pretty much the only thing that can take down someone turtling behind Havel's--that thing is just a wall.


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:16 pm

    Good question. It doesn't prevent you from self-inflicting bleed I know. For PvE I use Artorias a lot with my Lifehunt but have to switch it out for the Bloodshield for bosses I want to be aggressive with (the ones I know bleed well).

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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:17 pm

    I never thought Lifehunt was really a problem for self-inflicting bleed, though. With heavy armor, you have more than enough bleed resistance as it is. Add the blood shield on top of that, and even the bloodbite ring, and you're practically invulnerable to bleed!


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by bloodpixel on Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:18 pm

    Well, Havel's has that sort of useful spell...


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:24 pm

    Yeah, I used to use both shield and ring but now that I have my Black Iron set to +5 across the board that is better than my old gear. The shield is more than sufficient with that. With the Artorias shield and barely any resistance it was a problemo sometimes. A little prep and things bleed well before you do. Only issue now is speeding through places with lots of enemies and not cooling down or bosses that don't bleed but you can keep hitting repeatedly (Four Kings, Seath, Nito). But that's why I upgraped my Great Scythe. Bloodshield is good for PvP too thanks to the popularity of katanas and it allows parrying as an option (not that I'm good at it).

    For this thread though I always chose Artorias because of weight if I needed a Great Shield. I like to stay below 50% but I'm always walking a pretty fine line for it.

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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by Rockstar2112 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:14 pm

    skarekrow13 wrote:Yeah, I used to use both shield and ring but now that I have my Black Iron set to +5 across the board that is better than my old gear. The shield is more than sufficient with that. With the Artorias shield and barely any resistance it was a problemo sometimes. A little prep and things bleed well before you do. Only issue now is speeding through places with lots of enemies and not cooling down or bosses that don't bleed but you can keep hitting repeatedly (Four Kings, Seath, Nito). But that's why I upgraped my Great Scythe. Bloodshield is good for PvP too thanks to the popularity of katanas and it allows parrying as an option (not that I'm good at it).

    For this thread though I always chose Artorias because of weight if I needed a Great Shield. I like to stay below 50% but I'm always walking a pretty fine line for it.

    Yeah I'm terrible at parrying as it is, and plus I know lag's an issue in PvP. I've never really PvPed in Dark Souls or in Demon's Souls but I'm capping at 120 so I can take my first stab at PvP. with my current gear (full +5 Black Knights Armour, +5 Black Knights Shield, Greatsword of Artorias) I'm at just under 50% with ring of f&p equipped, but I'd use my other ring slot for Havel's if Havel's greatshield was good enough. I'm gonna take the advice though and go for Greatshield of Artorias for the bleed resist but still put on the Havel's Ring so I don't have to waste anymore points in endurance. thankyou for the feedback all happy


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by ChizFreak on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:46 pm

    What the hell is everyone talking about? Yeah Artorias has less requirements but Havels it's better. Also don't upgrade any of them because the Stability remains the same at any level.

    Havels has stoneskin buff. That makes anyone (except bosses I believe) who hits you stagger, like if they were hitting a solid wall. That gives enough time to hit them or maybe BS them.


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:48 pm

    Artorias but then again I might just be biased.....


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    Re: Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's Greatshield?

    Post by Quarik on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:54 pm

    I've never used Havel's, but Artorias is the greatest thing ever in PvE. It's great for turtling, but doesn't block effects in pvp. If you're fighting someone with a greatsword/axe that doesn't cause bleed, just wait for them to exhaust their stamina and then destroy them.


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