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    Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:08 am

    Listen! As we all know Dragon Form people don't use any armor. that makes them extremely weak against most attacks. But their greatest weakness is.... Bleed!

    2 hits with a Bandit Knife makes them bleed. That's right, only 2 hits and you got a insta 30% of their total health bleed damage. Just imagine what would a Lifehunt Scythe do to them...

    Just wanted to share that. I do not claim I was the first that discovered this but it was something I wanted everyone to know happy .

    Thanks for reading!


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by Specter737 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:13 am

    Good find!
    Being that they don't use armor, that makes sense, but 2 hits seems pretty significant!


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by LordRevan on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:22 am

    Awesome... great to know considering my new account is based around the lifehunt scythe


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:50 am

    You can also stunlock them with pretty much anything.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:54 am

    Yeah what errjon said^
    It was my understanding that they are weak against everything! They need to roll and not get hit to be effective.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:03 am

    I honestly dont see the point of the dragon body, nearly every dragonoid I've fought i've killed spare a few exceptionally good players. Not that the ones I killed were bad its just that my weapon ate their health pretty damn fast, and if they got a hit on my my poise let me keep swinging.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:35 am

    Dragon Body is mostly only useful against turtles. When they have their shield up and you roar, it automatically puts them in guard-break stance, while you have your damage buffed! Problem is the buff only leaves you enough stamina for 1 attack, and none left over to dodge after.

    Against most enemies, 0 defense and 0 poise means the Dragon Body is pretty useless. With a Dex build, it's alright, since you just dodge everywhere (but then you still have the issue of the roar not leaving you enough to attack and dodge). With a Str build, though, it doesn't work so well against moderately skilled enemies, since your slow weapon will get you staggered and stun-locked. Especially since the roar, while it will stun opponents, WILL NOT interrupt their attack. So if you roar while they're swinging, you're still going to eat that hit, and then get stun-locked.

    Only strength of the torso, really, is the intimidation factor. People who don't know its weaknesses will think it's somehow advantageous to use (hence some of the hilarious misinformed hate mail I've received from the people I've killed with it!). But anyone who is even remotely aggressive will easily have the advantage.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:00 am

    I didn't think of the turtle thing. I've wanted to get it for a long time, I've just never put the effort forward to get the dragon scales.

    I've often wondered if a dragon body, str/vit/res build would work. Something like this
    http://darksouls.itsthatguy.com/?c=QmFuZGl0LDEyMCw1MCw4LDQwLDQwLDksMzcsOCwxMA==

    maybe less vit and more resistance. But you get the idea. Equip fist weapons to get the extra damage that you get with the body (?) and use the RoFP and the wolf ring.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:19 am

    You'd still have the main issue, that is: 0 poise. I always say Poise > Def, and there's nothing you can do to help that with a dragon torso. Wolf Ring gives 40 poise but, on its own, that's useless.

    And only the bare fists get increased damage. I'm pretty sure they don't scale with anything (I didn't check to be sure, but I believe my dragons did the same bare-fisted damage at SL6 and SL75). They do about 350 damage, which is actually more than you can get with a Chaos Caestus +5 with 10 humanity! (I'm a little pissed that I wasted a Red Slab to find that out!)

    But try it for yourself. It's a lot of fun to invade with! Just not so viable for dueling. So keep it around SL60ish, ideally, to be able to invade a lot. By the way, I recommend just farming drakes to get the scales. It's a lot faster than waiting around forever to get summoned, and avoids the frustration of getting summoned back-to-back by the cheapest opponents I've faced in DkS (the same estus-chugging mail-breaker lagstabber, summoning you again and again).


    Last edited by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:20 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Just for clarification: all weapons will get the 5 second damage buff from the roar. But only your bare fists get native damage increase while in dragon form.)
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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by Eliteknight on Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:38 am

    Oh gee someone with no armor is weak to bleed? What astounding news! Next you'll be telling us that babies have a weakness to being punched in the face. xD

    Seriously though, the dragon covenant is weird.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:45 am

    @BLA1NE I might do a low level dragon build. Like sl 20 or so. I think bare fists scale with strength but I'm not sure.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:57 am

    I deleted my low-level Dragon, but I can just BB-glitch another to confirm whether fists scale or not.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:38 am

    I'd probably put all points into vit and end for a low level dragon.


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    Re: Just discovered the greatest weakness of Dragonoid people!

    Post by bending_sinister on Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:58 am

    Sadly, it has seemed to be their weakness is "everything". Cool concept - zero poise...

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