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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by cloudyeki on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:39 am

    Alright, I'm sure we've had enough of a break from class. We got to work on covenants, we started a council for planning covenant events, and we expanded on the lore.

    Starting this next monday we'll focus on specific spells, and slowly work on clearing the list.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:46 am

    I think we should start out simple and work our way up, starting on something like heal or soul arrow, rather than Karmic Justice or Crystal Magic Weapon.
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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:53 am

    We can probably do groupings of the small stuff. Like great/soul arrow wil have the same history.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by DoughGuy on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:28 pm

    So to keep this alive i want to try and get WoG and Emit force done by sunday. Hopefully I'll get at least one done.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:42 pm

    Dibs on Carmina's pyromancies


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Imarreteet23 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:44 pm

    Shot Oolacile spells.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:40 pm

    You know what never made any sense to me? Why is it called the Dragon School, if Seath actually never uses magic outside of his breath in combat? Is it that he sees his other magic useless at this point? Because when you think about it the Primordial Crystal was a Dragon Artefact, so maybe the Dragon's could use some archaic form of sorcery? That always confused me, especially when I'm a bit delirious from cold medicine haha.
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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by cloudyeki on Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:41 pm

    Probably the same as the dragon breath from the stone. I wanna know if it deals physical, magic, or fire based damage.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:42 pm

    Fire damage, I've checked.

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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by User on Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:43 pm

    he does use magic outside his breath. remember that giant blue ball you see that he emits with his two hands, in which then explodes with a bunch of crused crystals in the area?

    it is similar to that of the Channelers. Instead of actually using a catalyst, they sue their body to emit the sorcery. If you look closely, they sue their hands to cast the spell, similar to that of Seath and his explosive crystal array.

    Dragons are possibly the form of magic and fire, so the fact that the dragon weapons are able to do what they can do, as well as what the dragon body can also do, shows potential of power. Not sorcery, but the aspect of flame and magic.
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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:46 pm

    I knew about the Channelers, but yeah I did forget about his big Crystal attack. Usually because he's just so damn big I miss it.
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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:31 pm

    Wrath of the Gods
    "Primal form of Force. Create powerful shockwave.
    Wrath of the Gods was an epic tale that tattered over time and
    developed into the modern Force. This primal form of Force emits a
    shockwave that also inflicts damage."

    Let's start with the origins of Wrath. Almost every god/superpower we knowof already has an associated element/theme that their powers follow. None of these are force. Gwyn has sunlight, Seath has sorcery, Nito has death etc. So who created this miracle? Well the primitive version force, is used by cleric knights, its used to indoctrinate new applicants into the WoW. Therefore we can infer that the creator of the miracle is Allfather Lloyd.

    But what was the story exactly? The miracle is not suited to fighting dragons, the AoE is small and would not stagger a stone dragon. Therefore I believe this miracle represents Lloyd's birth into the world. Lloyd is a god without a lord soul. He did not start as a human but as a god. Thus this miracle is a representation of Lloyd's "birth". He exploded into the world, a tower of force and faith.

    The miracle has a high faith requirement and a low number of uses suggesting specialized use. Only the high clerics would have access to the miracle. The miracle is the story of Lloyd's birth and the beginning of the WoW so it could be a secret granted only to those proven worthy. Reah having the miracle represents her high standing in the order before she became undead.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:49 am

    Dough.....not where I woulda gone with what tale it told but I gotta say.....I like it. I wouldn't have had a very interesting explanation on that one. Well done.

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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by DoughGuy on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:33 pm

    Thanks. I figured that this is the biggest miracle we see in game not related to Gwyn.his firstborn. Its got to be something important.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:38 pm

    You know...It being primal...Huge huge stretch here on my part, but Dragon Miracle? It is similar to their roar after all, and it is primal. This just might be my nasty cold speaking though.
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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by DoughGuy on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:40 pm

    Hmm,. Interesting. Could work, might have to edit that in.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:18 pm

    I believe in kings field, Seath was a deity of sorts. Makes me wonder who the real gods of the world are.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by DoughGuy on Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:30 am

    Actually I dont think WoG is related to the dragons. The name itself implies that it was the gods, not a dragon who made it. Of course it does say "gods" so even my idea of what it is may not be correct as Lloyd is both singular and not necessarily a god. But yeah, I dont think dragons have to do with it.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:30 pm

    Yeah I don't know where I was going with that dragons thing. But...The Sentinels cast this magic, and to my knowledge they aren't affiliated with Lloyd.

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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by User on Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:13 pm

    Gwynevre is afflicted with Lloyd thou. Go ask Rhea and her divine blessing and replenishment.
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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:01 pm

    Touche. They could be acting as "Her" guards, so they might be affiliated. Actually I've noticed a lot of flowers as symbols in relation to Gwynevere, which I know Leeroy has a similar patterns on his armor and shield.
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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:12 am

    I haven't read the whole thread, but I love the magic of Dark Souls and I would like to post some theories. I study physics, and I'm currently finishing my bachelor's degree. I have lost the interest I once had in physics (mainly because of quantum mechanics), but I still like to describe simple effects of the world and simple theories. So these theories are based on how molecules and atoms interact in the world Dark Souls.

    - The principle idea of how miracles manifest consists on manipulating particles. Miracles manipulate particles thru basic forces. Examples:

    the common force (push or pull; Force, WoG)
    the electromechanical force (lightning; Lightning Spears)
    the gravitational force (manipulates time and space; TWoP, Vow of Silence, Homeward)
    the quantum force (manipulates regeneration of cells thru faster absortion of nutrients supplied by the miracle; Heal, Replenishment)

    - For Pyromancy, it is very easy to explain how it works, it is just the manipulation of heat. You manipulate heat by accelerating a large number of particles in a small space.

    -Sorceries are the opposite of Pyromancy, they consist in condensing matter (mostly souls, decelerating particles) with the goal to completely stop the particles from moving, thus forming Crystals. Sorceries are like the ice magic in most fantasy games.

    So the magics of Dark Souls pretty much explain the physics of the world we play in. These phenomena also have a rock-paper-scissors characteristic.

    -Stone: mostly condensed (frigid) particles, have a weakness to lightning, because through forces you accelerate the particles causing them to vaporize. This also applies to crystals. Fire is neutral. Strong against sorceries.

    - Metal: mostly free particles (electrons, although everything else is condensed). Metal is weak to sorceries because the condensation on the sorceries is larger than the condesation on the metal, causing the metal to break abruptly upon impact. Lightning is neutral. Strong against fire.

    -Wood: a descentant from stone, mostly high resistance particles. High resistance means harder to push electrons because of low conductivity. Think large number of particles in very heavy traffic jam. This mean electrons are harder to push through the material. Wood is weak to fire, because of the large number of particles in a small space makes it easy to accelerate and burn. Magic is neutral. Strong against Lightning.

    Some makes sense, others are difficult to describe. There are 2 types of offensive magic in Dark Souls, the Sorceries (condesation of souls) and common force Miracles. It seems that pushing (common force) constitute magic damage, as the Sorceries do the same (impact an object). Feel free to argument Profesor Eki and students.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by DoughGuy on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:58 am

    Pretty damn good Wyrm. +1.


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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:33 am

    Science rules. Great addition.

    The last couple days I've been vigorously attending to Dora thanks to my daughter. She has some interesting ideas on crystal magics. Hint: they make colors of the rainbow

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    Re: Magical theory 201

    Post by cloudyeki on Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:40 pm

    I approve of Wyrm's theories on magic. Though the question of where the energy to actually do all that comes from.


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