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    2-Handed Riposte

    Post by Blackie on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:48 pm

    Is it possible? If the answer's yes, does it have a DMG increase or any other benefit?
    I've seen it in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkKN27dsme8
    5:08 (Awesome music BTW)
    I tried by myself in all the parries I've done today, each attempt failed.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by Doelker on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:53 pm

    From what I knew, it wasn't posible to do a parry double handing a weapon. I can't see the video right now, but I surely would love to see if its real and what sort of weapon lets you do that.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by Blackie on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:59 pm

    Doelker wrote:From what I knew, it wasn't posible to do a parry double handing a weapon. I can't see the video right now, but I surely would love to see if its real and what sort of weapon lets you do that.
    Oh, he's using the Dragon King Greataxe.
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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by Imarreteet23 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:00 pm

    I dont think its possible, at least i've never done it.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by Doelker on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:07 pm

    @ Blackie. Hahaha... Gracias! Saludos. Bow


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:40 pm

    you parry with shield, then two hand and press r1, thats it. bonus given is only for str weapons due to that effect of two handing. the window is kinda small once you parry but...


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by BartholomewWenceslas on Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:58 pm

    In the video he switched to one handed so that he could parry, then switched back to two handed because he didn't have enough strength otherwise. As far as I'm aware, it's impossible to parry while two handing.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:50 pm

    its possible i learned to do it when i was doing a low level playthrough and a good portion of the time i used a claymore that i could only 2hand. just like how you can switch a weapon before you land a riposte you are able to go from 1hand to 2hand.

    no it does not add dmg same with backstabs they are same dmg 1h or 2h.

    EDIT: just did some tests and its weapons that scale get the 2h bonus for crit dmg while elemental weapons dont get the 2h bonus.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by bloodpixel on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:57 pm

    Yeah you can. But it doesn't do a damage increase or anything.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:44 am

    Well, last 2 are half true.

    No, it's impossible to parry while 2 handing, but yes it's possible to RIPOSTE while 2 handing. Some people parry, and then quickly switch to 2handed and press R1.

    Yes, 2 handing adds damage as long as the weapon has a STR scaling. It adds damage ALWAYS. Even if it's a backstab or a riposte. Elemental weapons 2handed doesn't add damage because elemental weapons doesn't have STR scaling (they don't have scaling at all). Neither does Dragon Weapons but there are some exceptions like the Moonlight GreatSword.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by bloodpixel on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:18 am

    ChizFreak wrote:Well, last 2 are half true.

    No, it's impossible to parry while 2 handing, but yes it's possible to RIPOSTE while 2 handing. Some people parry, and then quickly switch to 2handed and press R1.

    Yes, 2 handing adds damage as long as the weapon has a STR scaling. It adds damage ALWAYS. Even if it's a backstab or a riposte. Elemental weapons 2handed doesn't add damage because elemental weapons doesn't have STR scaling (they don't have scaling at all). Neither does Dragon Weapons but there are some exceptions like the Moonlight GreatSword.
    Wait wat? 2 handing always increases damage. And I already tested it out, 2-handing doesn't increase critical strikes.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:10 am

    When I two hand my Chaos Murakumo it deals more damage, more damage on BS as well, but that's because it is multiplying already increased damage.
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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by bloodpixel on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:16 pm

    Tolvo wrote:When I two hand my Chaos Murakumo it deals more damage, more damage on BS as well, but that's because it is multiplying already increased damage.
    It never increased damage for me. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention or my memory just sucks.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:12 pm

    bloodpixel wrote:
    Tolvo wrote:When I two hand my Chaos Murakumo it deals more damage, more damage on BS as well, but that's because it is multiplying already increased damage.
    It never increased damage for me. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention or my memory just sucks.

    I will explain it again:

    2 handing affects your STR scaling on your current weapon as long you current weapon has at least an E in STR scaling.

    When 2 hand a weapon that has STR scaling, you do more damage, because it would be like you have 47% (aprox.) more STR. That's why once you have 68 STR, when you 2-hand weapons you have the maximum damage. But you would have to raise STR to 99 if you want to do the max damage while 1handing.

    Elemental weapons doesn't get bonus from 2handing because elemental weapons doesn't have any scaling (neither STR, DEX, INT, or FTH). That's why most people use them at low levels, they have high damage output regardless of your stats.

    Any weapon without STR scaling will not get a bonus from 2 handing.

    Besides that 2 handing increase your STR for 47% (aprox.), that's why you can use weapons that require more than your actual STR while 2handing.

    For example when you have 34 STR you can 2hand weapons that require 50 STR because:

    34+(47%*34)=50

    Hope you got it this time.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:21 pm

    have you tested with uchi,iato,chaos blade, or pricillas? those are the only few weapons i can think of that dont scale with str. i did the test with a mail breaker,glgs,and elemental bss. also yea i wonder if it applys to mlgs

    EDIT: just checked with all the above mentioned weapons and chizfreak is 100% correct.
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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:41 pm

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:have you tested with uchi,iato,chaos blade, or pricillas? those are the only few weapons i can think of that dont scale with str. i did the test with a mail breaker,glgs,and elemental bss. also yea i wonder if it applys to mlgs

    EDIT: just checked with all the above mentioned weapons and chizfreak is 100% correct.

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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:56 pm

    then why do my chaos weapons do around 50 more damage when two handed (for bs its like 150 extra) this is a chaos reinforced club btw...


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:06 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:then why do my chaos weapons do around 50 more damage when two handed (for bs its like 150 extra) this is a chaos reinforced club btw...

    Do these steps:

    1. BS an enemy while 1 handing that does not die from your first hit of your club (clubs' BS animation has 2 hits, so make sure you're not killing him in your first hit to get the full damage output),

    2. Same as above with SAME enemy but 2handing.

    The damage must be the same.


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:17 pm

    i'll tell you the results after i get home in a few hours!


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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:14 pm

    I dealt more damage with the BS, that's why I always two hand my +5 Chaos G Halberd in the forest when going for the quick kill.
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    Re: 2-Handed Riposte

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:52 pm

    i just tested this with my chaos claymore +4 and 0 humanity. both 1h and 2h riposte did 702dmg to the silver knight i tested it on.

    chizfreak got it ANY weapon that scales with STR gets the added 2h dmg(normal attacks,backstabs,riposte). while elemental weapons and weapons that dont scale str dont get the added dmg. MLGS does not get added dmg.

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