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    Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:18 am

    So yeah the title says it all.

    I've fallen into the trap of artorias' mysterious allure. Can't say I know why or when this started but I thought I'd run with it to get it out of my system.

    So what I want to know is what are the base line stats for it to be effective at higher level pvp and could anyone suggest a 120 build for it? I hear the weapon only gets goo dat 150+ or something like that.

    Damn I'm dying for an artorias armour set.


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Jovias-86 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:12 am

    mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?b=d2Fycmlvciw0MCwxMiw0MCwyNCwyMCwxMSwyNSwzMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMzEsMCwwLG5vcm1hbCxub3JtYWwsbm9ybWFsLG5vcm1hbCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDA=

    Just came up with it... Havent tried it out so not really sure...


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:23 am

    Viral, I was just talking with Tolvo about the Artorias armor. Did you see it on the video? It looks freaking awesome, dark and somewhat medium armor, like Ornstein's. I tell you sone stats in a moment.


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:30 am

    Do it. I want it so badly. Ever wonder if its hidden out there somewhere in the Abyss? Just sitting there just out of sight yet noone had the fore thought to go and look for it.

    Ah to dream...


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:55 am

    Better off doing SL 200 or something but...

    Starting Class Thief SL 120

    Vit 40 (+31)
    Att 12 (+1)
    End 30 (+21)
    Str 24 (+15)
    Dex 20 (+5)
    Res 10
    Int 25 (+18)
    Fai 40 (+29)
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:03 am

    mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=241927363

    SL 120. I tried to mix some spells, but for that I need 36 Int and it would need at least SL 130. I put str on 40 because it seems that the scaling between Int and Str is almost the same (have to check with the other calculator). Also 34 str anyway for the greatshield. You can tweak it if you want spells put 36 int and 20 faith and less vitality. Also I could only make it medium roll with the wolf ring, so substitute it with DWGR if you don't feel confident.


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:15 am

    http://tinyurl.com/6uelb5j same stats as I listed above. Not using the shield though to much weight.

    Edit for a SL 220 build you could do something like this http://tinyurl.com/7svmkff
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Gol on Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:12 am

    Oo1Zer0 wrote:http://tinyurl.com/6uelb5j same stats as I listed above. Not using the shield though to much weight.

    Edit for a SL 220 build you could do something like this http://tinyurl.com/7svmkff


    I'm really not a fan of your SL 120 build (Same for the SL 220, those builds looks like gankers'/griefers' build with all those WoGs and TWOPs.)
    I mean, 40 Faith is useless, even to use the darkmoon talisman, at 40 faith is only 1point more in MagAdj than the canvas talisman and.. 40 faith for Wog and TWOP (and why TWOP ? BS fishing ?), wtf ?

    only 30 end and 40 vit ?
    30 End with a sword like that ? Dark hand ? not even a grass crest shield ?

    I had a SL 120 Artorias build : http://tinyurl.com/6pc286f
    It's better, even if it has less vit and poise, honestly 76 poise is useless except if you're a total noob and don't know how to dodge, if you get hit by an ultragreatsword that means you deserved it.

    With that build you still have enough poise to tank the other weapons and you got 2 more spell slots for Soul Spear and HCSM.
    I know that the catalyst halves the numer of uses but you need it if you want good damages and it's not like you were gonna spam Soul Spear and HCSM anyway, with that dex the casting speed is low so don't use Soul Spear like you were brainless, HCSM is used as a defense because contrary to WoG it's impossible to roll BS a guy with HCSM without receiving any damage and I'm just gonna say that : HCSM and WoG used properly together are pretty useful.

    Well, I don't need to explain why I chosed those 2 miracles (You can replace WoG by Force if you prefer more use and don't really use it as an offensive spell).

    And a SL 220 build : http://tinyurl.com/7fm6k5v

    Same thing except soul spear is replaced by CSS and you have one more slot for white dragon breath (wich is good, contrary to what one might think.), the canvas talisman is replaced by the darkmoon and the shield by the greatshield of artorias.
    No wolf ring, Havel's ring instead but if you want to use another ring you won't be able to use the shield with an heavy armor and you won't have a high poise.
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Jovias-86 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:30 am

    mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?b=d2FycmlvciwzNiwxMiwzNiwzNCwxOCwxMSwyNSwzMCwyMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwxNzIsMzEsMTI1LDAsbm9ybWFsLG5vcm1hbCxub3JtYWwsbm9ybWFsLDAsNDYsNjAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCww

    Better version I guess


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Gol on Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:32 am

    It's a joke, isn't it ? silly
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Jovias-86 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:37 am

    big grin No big grin


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:08 am

    @Artorias Actually 40 in faith is more so to boost your damage with Artoria since after 40 it's better to put points into intelligence. Miracles for obvious reasons are allot more useful when compared to spells which is why Faith is boosted instead of intel. Boosting the dmg potential of WOTG makes for short fights against inexperienced players.

    Dark Hand acts as a light weight shield with parry & absorbs 80% of every element. Believe it or not but it actually is very good as a shield if you know how to properly fight.

    Endurance should be increased based on your EQUIPMENT. If you can get away with less than 40 then by all means do so.

    The point of the build is not to fight with fake rules but to actually win. Spells in general are easy to dodge which makes them useless for pvp unless you 2 vs 1 someone.

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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Wisp on Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:23 am

    http://tinyurl.com/c9alk8q that's my attempt at a build, i didn't bother with the armour since there's plenty of space
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Gol on Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:49 am

    Oo1Zer0 wrote:@Artorias Actually 40 in faith is more so to boost your damage with Artoria since after 40 it's better to put points into intelligence. Miracles for obvious reasons are allot more useful when compared to spells which is why Faith is boosted instead of intel. Boosting the dmg potential of WOTG makes for short fights against inexperienced players.

    Dark Hand acts as a light weight shield with parry & absorbs 80% of every element. Believe it or not but it actually is very good as a shield if you know how to properly fight.

    Endurance should be increased based on your EQUIPMENT. If you can get away with less than 40 then by all means do so.

    The point of the build is not to fight with fake rules but to actually win. Spells in general are easy to dodge which makes them useless for pvp unless you 2 vs 1 someone.



    Oh yeah, sure, spamming Wog, so much fun. Joy
    (It is sarcastic, I tell you in case you don't get it)

    I don't get that thing : "win at any cost".
    It's just a video game... and those "fake rules" are not "fake", those are just not your rules (I suppose, given how you talk about it).
    You know, there's some persons who likes to have fun and battle only with their skills and not cheap tactics (And those persons likes diversity and stuffs like that) and most of the users on these forums are that kind of person so when I chose to help someone, I suppose he's that kind of person.

    But, anyway, even if he's not (But I doubt because he wouldn't do an artorias build), the build I described is better, 40 Faith doesn't increase WoG's damage that much.
    28/30 Faith and 50 Faith are the caps where it's really worth it (for the miracles I mean, not the weapons' scaling).
    Let's get back to the comparison :

    My build has an AR of 539, yours has 542 (Not that much of a difference).
    Your build has 2 miracles (used in a cheap combination, showing the skill needed to play it... ah sorry, I was wrong, it doesn't require any skill), WOG can be dodge very easily and TWOP, well... it slows only the movement speed so if your opponent is not dumb he's gonna put his back against a wall and hit you as as you approach, or parry you, or spam WoG before you, that opponent has plenty of options.

    My build has also 2 miracles, WoG, dodged easily, used defensively, not a big difference.
    Great magic barrier or "How to be stunlocked by a MLGS and laugh at your opponent's face", it reduces magic damage alot, even the miracles magic damages.

    It has also 2 spells (used with the most powerful catalyst) : HCSM, offering a very good defense and soul spear, offering a lot of dmg.
    Used at the right moment, in the right situation, these are very helpful.

    It has almost the same poise (74) and has more defense (phys, mag and lightning) and a shield with a better physical def and a stamina regenaration.


    Of course, it has a few less Vit (-225 hp) but it's not a big difference.
    The build compensates with its versatility, it can be used in the situations you described and plenty of others and has a lot of other advantages I described above.

    You see how it can be useful to play with those "fake rules" (Rules I already followed when I was playing demon's souls) ?
    It made me a better player.






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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:23 pm

    Just so you know the armor setup was actually cosmetic to fit the theme if you didn't notice. You know all black with a trench like coat wielding dark hand & a darkened blade? Also like I said before spells are ridiculously easy to dodge. WOTG & Emit Force are much more viable in pvp. & yes both can be dodged however soul spear & homing crystal are even easier to dodge. Also TWOP followed by WOTG & backstabbing is a fairly easy win to achieve. & when the person actually knows how to play you simply parry with the light *** dark hand shield. The extra hp allot of the times can mean the difference between a victory & defeat.

    No comments on the 220 SL build which is the actual build I would promote for the theme? You know since I clearly mentioned that 120 isn't really realistic for that weapon before writing anything?

    PS: the ring on 220 is supposed to be firstborn not princess.
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:56 pm

    You guys are forgetting the Greatshield, it makes the build much more difficult to make.


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by skarekrow13 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:11 pm

    It's also pretty essential for the build to be properly Artoriasy


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:42 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:You guys are forgetting the Greatshield, it makes the build much more difficult to make.
    Yea if you use both the sword & shield at only SL 120 then you're spreading yourself way to thin on stats. This is why I wouldn't even attempt using the shield at SL 120 & would wait for +200.
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:51 pm

    With the Greatshied youll have to sacrifice Int or Faith. The scaling in Str is pretty similar to the scalings in Faith and Int, with 34 Str and 30 Faith while the others at 20 means a ~530 AR which is pretty similar to you guys AR. If aiming for 120 you'll have to choose between faith or int if going with the shield.


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:07 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:With the Greatshied youll have to sacrifice Int or Faith. The scaling in Str is pretty similar to the scalings in Faith and Int, with 34 Str and 30 Faith while the others at 20 means a ~530 AR which is pretty similar to you guys AR. If aiming for 120 you'll have to choose between faith or int if going with the shield.
    Problem is the weapon itself isn't made for a 120 SL build. An Occult Claymore +5 with 24Str 20Dex & 40Faith will net you an AR of 531. Simply put there are better options at that SL for what it actually does.
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Railage on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:09 pm

    Meh, a little less damage won't matter if you have the skill to back it up.

    And if you can pull it off, you'll look pretty dope doing it.


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    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:12 pm

    Railage wrote:Meh, a little less damage won't matter if you have the skill to back it up.

    And if you can pull it off, you'll look pretty dope doing it.
    I use the weapon on a 110SL character. Doesn't mean the build itself is viable as top tir.
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Railage on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:16 pm

    Maybe you're a little overconfident in you're own skill.

    Doesn't mean the OP couldn't be able to have fun.


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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:24 pm

    Its funny when people actually fall for the r2 thrust. First time I landed it in pvp I literally lol'ed.
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    Re: Artorias build, like that hasn't been done before...

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:59 am

    Yeah I'm only doing this for fun. I can't churn out SL 120 characters like some of you guys can (Wyrmhero I'm looking at you).


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