Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

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    Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:57 pm

    The weapons pages haven't been changed for a long time now, but this is something I always thought should have been done differently since the start. In my opinion, it's pretty useless to know a weapon's stats at, say, +10 when it can go to +15, or +5 when it can go to +10. Nobody's going to want to stay at the lower tier when all you need to do is get an ember to go higher.

    Knowing their stats at the second-to-last upgrade, on the other hand, would be quite useful. To get the last level you need to spend a slab, and there's only so few of these per playthrough, so you can only get so many fully upgraded weapons. It would be very useful to know which ones to spend those slabs on, and which ones can be left at +4, +9, or +14.

    Other potential use: in another thread right now I just made the point that, when comparing Crystal weapons, you should really be looking at their +4 stats versus a Regular weapon at +15, since you definitely don't want to waste a slab on a crystal weapon. In this scenario in particular, having the Crystal +4 stats would be very useful.

    And it would also be useful to add Chaos +5 +10 Humanity. Chaos is really considered as an elemental upgrade path, rather than a scaling one, so to properly compare it with other elemental weapons we should know its full strength. Rather than say "Chaos might be as strong or stronger than lightning when you have 10 humanities" it would be good to know for sure, especially since it wouldn't be difficult at all to get that info.

    I guess since those pages have been untouched for so long I thought I'd check with the community before hacking away at them! But what do you think; is it better to know those +4/ +9/ +14, and Chaos +4/ +5 with 10 humanities, or should I just leave it be?
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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Dj-B-Man-Jr on Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:22 pm

    please edit them! it would be really helpful
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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Emergence on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:59 pm

    I'm all for adding that info, it would be really useful. I would be leery about deleting any existing info though, so I'm thinking augmentation as opposed to subtraction.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:09 am

    It wouldn't be subtracting so much as replacing... silly

    But I see your point! I'll start looking into it tomorrow.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:20 pm

    To make it as easy as possible for everyone in the community to be able to contribute, I created a temporary page to keep track of the progress. Simply head there and follow the instructions!

    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Weapon+Upgrade+Work+In+Progress+List

    Thanks for your help!


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Unforseen on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:30 pm

    I'm going to start working on it when i can.
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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:48 pm

    Thanks!

    By the way, I also put in there: Chaos +4, Chaos +4 +10 Humanity, Chaos +5 +10 Humanity. So all you people out there currently using any Chaos weapon +4 or +5 can easily and quickly fill in some of this information since I'm sure you're using it with >10 humanity already!


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by FexDS on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:50 pm

    We have heard this request before but overall monitoring of the site's activity and having the experience of the JP wiki, the majority of users do look at +5 +10 and +15. The reason for this is that they can easily upgrade something to +4 but they want to know if the further upgrade is worth it.

    Please do not delete or replace any information on the weapons page. There is certainly more to add but what we have now is our N.1 visited page (of about 3 million monthly visits) so it must have something going for it.

    We also have individual pages for every weapon that would benefit from some updating as the stats changed with patches happy


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:44 pm

    Yeah, after Emergence made that point I agreed, but I guess I didn't make it clear enough! I wrote on the page too that people shouldn't remove information, but instead add to it, but I'll see if I was being clear enough on there.

    The point of knowing the second to last upgrade is really more to compare between different branches, rather than along one branch. My best example is: to show that Crystal is absolutely not recommendable (as if we didn't know that already silly), you really should be comparing Regular +15 to Crystal +4. It's really not such a big deal to keep making new Crystal weapons +4 every time one breaks if you have the time and resources for it, but when you can know the actual tiny difference it makes compared to Regular +15 (which can be worth a slab), then you can decide if it's really worth it.

    Also, different upgrade paths share the same slabs. So again it would be useful in deciding which weapon and path to spend the slab on, and which aren't as bad left unupgraded.

    Edit: while I'm in there I'll slip a note about people checking the current stats for accuracy post-patch.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by FexDS on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:49 pm

    That sounds great thank you! happy

    I'm sure we can fit the +4 +9 +14 in there somewhere, so that both end gamers and newbies can get the info they want.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:20 pm

    I added the info on the weapons I currently have at the second-last upgrade, and I hate to say but it's not looking great for post-patch accuracy on our numbers. I can't say for sure, but I think the damage numbers are still good, or very close. The majority of the scaling grades are wrong, though.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by FexDS on Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:26 pm

    Thank you I will see what weapons I have and cross check what hasn't been updated.

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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by ublug on Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:54 am

    They increased scaling in the last patch, but from the weapons I have checked it's usually the last two upgrade steps that get a boost.
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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by DxV04 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:28 am

    Yea I just saw blaine's sig and I would love to contribute. Will read instructions on the link provided. Thanks for the opportunity.!
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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:43 am

    Yyyyesssss!


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Whknight on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 am

    Working on what I can. First time playing with a wiki so I'm trying to not break things ^^; if some people can start on the addition of the pre-max upgrades I can probably gather most of the embers again in a few days and start pumping out weaponry to add.

    It's completely possible for me to pump out many of the different paths once I get New Londo drained / Kiln I've spent alot of my normal chunks but I have a decent stash of the other types and 100% drops will make it even easier.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:58 am

    Thanks knight. No pressure, just get to it when you can! And don't worry about breaking things, it's actually very simple to edit stuff--I figured it all out just by playing with it.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Whknight on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:13 pm

    Just realize, you have Raw +4 listed but you don't actually need a slab to make the +5, pretty sure it was just 3 chunks? If it is should we remove it or leave it?


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:45 pm

    Really, no slab?

    The whole point of this effort is to know what you can get in terms of upgrades without slabs. So if Raw doesn't need one then, yeah, you can go ahead and remove it. Make sure first, though! winking


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Emergence on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:46 pm

    Ticked off the Lightning Shotel +4, don't know how often you want a heads up on that kind of stuff.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Whknight on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:48 pm

    I'm not able to right now, only going off memory ><; I'm currently formating weapon pages and including Raw+4 just to be on the safe side.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:22 pm

    Cool.

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    Ah, don't need to keep me posted, thanks! No one else did, so I just keep track myself. I keep track on the number of edits on the page, and when I check once in a while I just compare the changes.

    Speaking of which, last time I updated my count was at 39 edits, and I see it's at 41 now--time to update my count!


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Demi_God0415 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:52 am

    i took out the giant blacksmith hammer and hammer of vamos since they're both done and they doesn't have any other forge path. working on andre's hammer and a couple of bows.


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Whknight on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:56 am

    Don't worry about doing each upgrade, just need the tiers. Thanks for doing the hammers happy


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    Re: Weapon Upgrade Stats at +4/ +14?

    Post by Whknight on Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:26 am

    There is a picture of a player with the Crystal Straight Sword, should that be left or removed?


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