12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

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    12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by papael on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:08 am

    I decided to do a NG run with a endurance/faith build. I have 11str and 12dex and if I have any extra points I'm probably gonna spend on my measly 14vit (I need to find stronger amor asap too because the elite knight is not compensating).

    Options are looking bad. Is there any weapon at this ability range that I can upgrade to occult and divine that would give me good faith scaling (A rate) to compensate my lack of other stats? Is there any weapon overall that would be easy to use, that could abuse high endurance for numerous slashes, that would become strong with elemental path?

    I noticed Barbed Straight Sword has bleeding which is a nice addition for the lack of attack power with these stats. But I didn't get it in my previous two runs and I have already beaten Kirk in the depths with no drop.


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by Eliteknight on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:35 am

    At 16 Strength 14 dex 50 faith the best weapons are as follows.

    Straight Swords; (divine) (occult) (lightning)

    Barbed since you mentioned it specifically is 413 divine 412 occult 444 lightning.
    Balder side sword is a popular choice, 421 divine 422 occult 444 lightning
    Broadsword 443 divine 443 occult 454 lightning

    Curved Swords (divine) (occult) (lightning)

    Falchion 421 422 444
    Scimitar 432 433 454
    Shotel 419 418 454


    Greatswords; (Divine) (occult) (Lightning)

    Claymore 557 554 571
    'Bastard Sword 568 556 582
    Flamberge 522 518 555
    Man Serpant 577 579 610
    Zweihander 669 671 721
    Server 544 545 593

    Halberds; (divine) (occult) (lightning)

    Sythe 561 562 610
    Greatsythe 530 527 555
    Halberd 568 569 610
    Gargoyles Halberd 578 573 638
    Lucerne 569 610

    Katanas (divine) (occult) (lightning)

    Uchikatana 454 455 498 (That high plus bleed, probably the winner)

    Numbers assume 2 handing the weapon Not exactly what you asked for, but its close and gave me more options to work with. The divine/occult looks low but that is without the 110 extra divine/occult damage they also get.

    Done editing this post, if you want more let me know and I'll post more.


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by papael on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:26 am

    Amazing work bro!! If I could give you some reputation I would.

    I'm not sure I'm gonna spend any extra dex and str now. I know I should but I'm trying to add some new flavor in this run. I'm already two handing a claymore and halberd. This will probably be the first time I'll rely on light straight swords. Astora's Straight sword is extremely good early in the game with this builld.
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by sen545331 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:30 am

    what gives rep? i found i have gained a few and I haven't made that many posts yet...
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by Eliteknight on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:35 am

    If you are dead set on 11 str 12 dex, I will list every wield-able weapon for those requirements.

    Give me a few more minutes,

    Divine weapon numbers for 11 str 12 dex 50 faith assuming 2 handing the weapon

    Cestus 350
    Dagger 291
    Bandits Knife 291
    Shortsword 410
    Longsword 421
    Broadsword 432
    Broken Straight sword 201 (and lol)
    Barbed Straight Sword 404
    Straight sword hilt 82 (double lol)
    Mail Breaker 290
    Rapier 372
    Estoc 385
    Hand axe 406
    Club 393
    'Mourning Star 402
    War pick 459
    Spear 410
    Spiked Shield 389

    459 was the highest AR on the list, I highly suggest you take another look at the other list then look back at this one when deciding if 7 soul levels of extra vitality is worth damage this bad.


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by BLA1NE on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:39 am

    For 1 more Str you can use Solaire's Sunlight Straight Sword. Great weapon for 12/12. I don't know how good its Fth scaling is, but with Sunlight blade it would be very good.

    And I think you get the barbed sword from Kirk in the Demon Ruins.

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    Edit: Solaire's, at Occult +5, has a B for Fth scaling. Or you could go regular +15 and Sunlight Blade it.

    At your current stats, you can also use a Bandit's Knife! Won't eat up much of your stamina, but that's ok, since you'll need it to roll dodge a lot! Not a bad idea, with your vit... And a very fun weapon for PvE.

    You can also use Astora's Straight Sword, with your current stats. I don't really know how good it is, though. It isn't very impressive on paper either. But it upgrades with Twinklings, which are easy to find, so you'll be able to max it out early.


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by sen545331 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:59 am

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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by Eliteknight on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:59 am

    If you want those numbers at normal +15 for a weapon buff later on I can post those to.


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by sen545331 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:05 am

    one more point in str (12/12 str/dex)...
    sunlight straight sword divine+10=437ish occult+5=439ish
    now, battle axe (bandit starter) divine+10=485 occult+5=487

    the battle axe is severely under appreciated for its low stat cost, i think its one of the highest damaging weapons at that stat range

    and a +15 probably wouldn't amount to THAT much with minimum wielding stats+buff, you make no use of the weapon really at that point
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by papael on Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:40 am

    Thanks a lot. Don't bother with the +15 cause I don't think it's worth it with such mediocre dex and str scaling to couple with the weapon buff, significantly reducing it's effectiveness, specially since it's a single use miracle. With these stats, elemental paths won't fall behind that much and are probably mandatory. I will give it a shot with a +14 or +15 Bastard sword later to see what happens.

    Is it possible to buff crystal weapons? Never tried any of them before.

    @Bla1ne Solaire's sword doesn't scale with faith and as far as I know Divine and Occult weapons cannot be buffed.
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by papael on Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:45 am

    sen545331 wrote:one more point in str (12/12 str/dex)...
    sunlight straight sword divine+10=437ish occult+5=439ish
    now, battle axe (bandit starter) divine+10=485 occult+5=487

    the battle axe is severely under appreciated for its low stat cost, i think its one of the highest damaging weapons at that stat range

    and a +15 probably wouldn't amount to THAT much with minimum wielding stats+buff, you make no use of the weapon really at that point

    That's a good tip but I wielded axes for my entire previous playthrough lol (bandit str/vit). Fire Great Axe +10 is one of the most obscene things I have ever wielded.
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by sen545331 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:39 am

    Well, you've just touched on another thing...
    of ALL the weapons, the normal greataxe (one from the depths) has literally the HIGHEST total damage for all the elemental paths compared to all the rest (just beats out weapons such as the demon variants and such)

    so if anyone was looking for the highest damage via elemental, the greataxe is the way to go
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by Eliteknight on Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:01 am

    sen545331 wrote:Well, you've just touched on another thing...
    of ALL the weapons, the normal greataxe (one from the depths) has literally the HIGHEST total damage for all the elemental paths compared to all the rest (just beats out weapons such as the demon variants and such)

    so if anyone was looking for the highest damage via elemental, the greataxe is the way to go

    The greataxe gets lucky 777 attack rating when upgraded to lightning. That is kinda cool.


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by BLA1NE on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:31 pm

    papael wrote:Is it possible to buff crystal weapons? Never tried any of them before.

    @Bla1ne Solaire's sword doesn't scale with faith and as far as I know Divine and Occult weapons cannot be buffed.
    That's why I said "at occult is has B scaling" and "or you can go +15 and buff it".

    You can buff crystal weapons, but don't bother. That upgrade path is useless, since the weapons have extremely little durability and can not be repaired by any means. All you can do is upgrade it to reset its durability, but that just means you're fighting with an unfinished weapon, which would be weaker than a regular +15 anyways.
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by Carphil on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:32 pm

    There is a ring that Shiva of the East sells that can really help when you are using crystal weapons


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by nsane32 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:38 pm

    im on a high faith build also and I use a Darksword plus 10 Divine and just loving it does about 210 dmg per hit and has a long hit range was using SL strait sword untill I got this


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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by BLA1NE on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:45 pm

    Carphil wrote:There is a ring that Shiva of the East sells that can really help when you are using crystal weapons
    Sure. But the difference between Crystal +5 and Regular +15 is so small anyways, that it's definitely not worth a ring slot. And definitely don't waste a slab on a crystal weapon, either! So really you should be looking at Crystal +4 vs Regular +15, which is an even smaller difference.

    (I find it very annoying that the wiki lists upgrades by slices of 5, which is pretty useless, and doesn't say what the stats are at +4 and +14, which would be much more useful. I don't care how much damage a weapon does at +10! But it would be very good to know how much it would do without spending a slab on it. In this case in particular, since we'd be comparing Crystal +4 with Regular +15.)
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    Re: 12dex, 11str, high faith. Need a weapon with good faith scaling

    Post by Carphil on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:49 pm

    True, I only made one for the trophy and its over. definitely not worth the slab


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