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    low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:09 pm

    i would like suggestions on low level (>20) spell/miracle/pyro builds especially early equip that would be good for said builds ( don't wanna bb glitch a tincrys catalyst into file ect.)
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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BARZOHD- on Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:35 pm

    well do you like speed or defense?


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by RANT on Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:45 pm

    i would just get enought int to use chameleon and since youre a caster dont waste your points on end, just enough so you can use the armor you want.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:54 pm

    def won't help much, as i'd need precious points in end to wear such things... 14 int does have a good range of spells, use magic weapons, not enchanted... any other suggestions?


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:07 pm

    If armour is a problem RoFaP it up (necessary i feel for build that level anyway for health) but also use second ring slot for havels if you feel need for better protection.

    I find though with a low level caster, you'll want rings/ equipment that maximises your power without needing to over level your casting stat whilst neglecting other stats.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:09 pm

    i recently heard that cast light inflicts damage if you roll into an intended target with it on, if so ro fap, dwgr, elite knight or shadow if i can't manage better, dusk or gwyndolin hat for bonus.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sen545331 on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:21 pm

    i seriously doubt that, but, as i'm not playing right now, etc, i can't refute it

    besides, if it did do damage, it wouldn't do more than probably one of the thorns armor pieces, so it would be negligible damage as well

    anyhow, if you're just going for pve, my mage is SL77 and only has 8vit/end as well as not using rofap (531hp or some-such) with 50 int, i can co-op gwyn/4kings, but that's about it, maybe the occasional O&S for high levels
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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:52 pm

    Just don't make it a Pyro build... At that level, OHKing people with a single AoE attack is very, very lame. Or at least don't max out your glove.

    >20 would be hard for a caster build, though, since you need points in Att and Int, without even thinking about Vit and End. Let me look up some numbers...


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:56 pm

    thanks for the help stat guru! and can someone please get confirmation on that weird cast light rumor?


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:03 pm

    Well, I came up with this SL17 Mage build:

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    At 24 Int you can use: HCSM, Chameleon, CMW, and all the Soul Arrows. I would recommend: HCSM, Chameleon, Great Heavy, Heavy, and Great Soul Arrows, to fill your 5 attunment slots.

    Wield the Oolacile Catalyst in your left hand, and a Bandit's Knife in your right, in case you run out of castings. With such low Vit and End, I recommend the Bandit's Knife because, if you do run out of castings, your best bet is going to be to end it quickly with a backstab!

    HCSM will be your best weapon, but you need to use it intelligently. As in: don't let it fire on its own. Instead, face away from your opponent, then face them when you want to send off your homing mass. And Great Heavy Soul Arrows are retardedly slow to cast, so I recommend using Chameleon first, wait for your opponent to run past you, then cast it in their back. Then, best case scenario, if they're not already dead, is you finish them off with a HCSM!

    I think this could be really fun, actually!


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:07 pm

    yeah it really could! big grin


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:10 pm

    Or you can go to SL29:

    Raise your Int to 36 to use Soul Spear, wield either the Sorcerer's, Beatrice's, or Izalith catalyst (same stats--pick which one you think looks best, I guess!), and the rest stays the same. Replace Great Heavy and Heavy Soul arrows with 2 Soul Spears (you get 2 in one playthrough), and keep HCSM, Great Soul Arrows, and Chameleon to fill your 5 slots.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:15 pm

    will, probably stay below twenty...


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by aceluby on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:06 pm

    I don't understand why he wouldn't want a max pyro glove for a low level caster.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:23 pm

    Because that's cheap as hell.

    Might as well BB glitch yourself a Lightning Claymore +5 on an SL2 Pyro (need 1 point in Dex) while you're at it, with a fully upgraded Giant's Set. I'm sure with the Mask of the Father, Ring of Favor, and Havel's Ring, it'd be possible. And in my opinion, all that still wouldn't be as bad as a fully upgraded pyro glove, because you'd at least have to get into melee range with your opponent. Whereas with a pyro glove, you can shoot OHK AoE spells from range, instead.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by aceluby on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:55 pm

    So... using an in-game mechanic is the same as glitching/cheating? I understand it can be powerful at such a low level, but if the developers didn't want that, why did they put it in there? If this is just going to be a caster, they aren't going to have very many viable options.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:17 pm

    I didn't say it was the same, I said it was worse! It's all relative. TWoP was also a legitimate in-game mechanic, but I don't think anyone here would dare defend how people used it pre-patch. The devs chose not to nerf the pyro glove too much, and I respect their decision. But to me, the Pyro Glove is a tool to be used in PvE, for low level runs. When you start using it for low-level PvP, then you've crossed a line into the pre-patch TWoP territory, IMO.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by aceluby on Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:19 pm

    Fair enough, is this a build for PvP? I didn't see that in the OP, though I guess it could be implied.

    Edit to add: If this is for low level PvP why should this person have to limit themselves when fighting people using the weapons/gear you mentioned earlier?


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:29 pm

    He will come across these people, from time to time. And he probably won't stand much of a chance in that case! But the majority of people he'll be fighting should be around his level. It all depends which areas he invades in... But really I'll say the problem is attunment slots. He can either go full pyro and destroy low-levels on the off-chance he'll get some high-levels from time to time; or he can attune full sorcery and have a slight advantage over people his level while being competitive with people reasonably higher. Not enough slots to adequately prepare both ways.

    I just see it as one or the other. Maybe that's wrong. But if it's right, then I'd go the path with the lowest odds of being a douche!


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by aceluby on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:01 pm

    I'd say have one slot dedicated to a fireball for the cases that you need it and attune the rest to sorcery. I've met SOOOO many people in full smoughs, havels, ornstein, solaire, elite knight armor at SL25. More often than not it seems sad


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:08 pm

    hmm the thread seems to have heated up while i wasn't looking, and preferably this char would focus on one class of magic not two, so sorc or pyro, but pyro tends to be op a low levels for pvp and i'm better with sorc in pve anyway, and yeah, there are quite a few havels and smoughs running around at 25 or even 15, hmm chameleon ftw? and maybe a magic bandit knife?
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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:37 pm

    Hmm... Well you know what, I don't invade before Sen's, and SL30 is my lowest. So I could be wrong here. But I don't often see those people you speak of in Sen's. If they truly are the norm, though, then do what you gotta do!

    If you go to SL21 you can get yourself 6 attunment slots. That should be a little better to share with pyro! Maybe ditch the biggest soul arrow while you're at it, since it's your slowest and probably most expendable weapon.


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    Re: low lvl caster builds

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:43 pm

    sounds good and in the burg especially there are havel trolls everywhere, and even in the capra's area you run into some, and in my other files i've been seeing similar activity move to sens (guy in full paladins armor with child mask) but they're used to dodging magic yes/ and dodging in sens usually means a fatal fall:twisted:


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