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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Reaperfan on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:39 pm

    Yesuurd wrote:I agree although we need someone to redact that poll to be as concise as can be.

    I did run my whole poll project back in the old forums, so if I had a bit of time to think about how to appropriately set up the questions and possible answers and I could probably come up with something.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Emergence on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:40 pm

    I would stay away from putting everything in one poll. Keep WoG to one, Magic/Buffs to another, Backstabs etc. But clearly state "As it relates to FC". Otherwise it becomes a PvP debate.

    Redact the poll by taking feedback on its wording before creating it. You can retroedit polls into a thread.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:42 pm

    sounds good, i'd let Reaper come up with initial concept since you've done a few polls before, hopefully you'll come up with a few good ones happy


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Reaperfan on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:47 pm

    Emergence's idea on a poll for each specific thing seems like a great place to start, but we need to narrow down what those specific things would be. The two big ones, WoG and Backstabs, would certainly be a place to start. Are there any other things we might need a poll on such as buffs or equipment? I think we can all agree on things like TWoP and Stone Giant Greatsword special being banned, but if, say, spells become more prevalent in people's fighting styles should we also consider Vow of Silence or Greater Magic Barrier to be banned? We'll need to start narrowing down each part that needs discussion.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:49 pm

    equipment isnt too much of an issue since there's little that is bad, but the buff issue may need looking at, and perhaps an initial poll as to whether magic is okay or not may be required

    we have to ask around first to see if there is division sufficient to need a poll in such areas

    in my opinion though, if a guy has the presence of mind against me to choose vow of silence as his buff then i bow to him a second time.

    On that note should we say to limit the amount of buss you can use? so if you use weapon buff you can't use green blossom etc?


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Emergence on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:53 pm

    I wouldn't look too far ahead at down the road things like Vow of Silence. Amendments can always be made as needs arise. For now maybe, just pin down the major issues that people are at odds on. Otherwise, I fear gridlock. We need to do our best to not emulate world governments haha.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by GrEeNgObLiN on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:10 pm

    Wow 6 pages,???
    Just read almost everything!
    I must say in beginning FC was pretty small and simple rules and we had a bunch of fun!
    FC is getting bigger almost 24 players or more by now.
    It means ,there are more different builds like mages and.....more

    Im mostly use only green blossom and buff when others do, or with my claws cause of the little dmg they do

    Now there so many discussions,think of in the beginning when we started FC


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:23 pm

    Hey, don't forget those Washing Poles Green. winking
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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:28 pm

    everyone was more chilled out green yeah, and we just let everything except BS and spamming in

    but as more players join we'll need more regulations, just how it goes i suppose


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Rollo-9 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:47 pm

    I don't think we can or should change the rules that much really. Its a fight and things happen you cant control lol. Mildred nailed it i think: watch the wog/ bs and have fun.
    I think everything is fair game magic, buffs, turtleing and each is related to the next. Magic and spells are really difficult to execute and land in pvp, for all the dmg they may do. Buffs and turtleing go hand in hand, one person buffs its up to HIM to land hits, because the other player should evade turtle. And if you turtle excessively expect a bs/wog to follow and rightfuly so.
    So we can't change a gameplay element without affecting another.
    In conclusion my ideal rules would be:

    - no backstab FISHING (or going for it right off the bat) or follow up bs on recovery from one.
    - if a rapier / spear user is excessive poke/turtleing he's fair game for a bs imo.
    - magic is fine because you're rollin the dice trying to cast anyway.
    - buffs are an exception to turtleing rule untill cast wears off.
    -wog SPAM not allowed, if some one uses it sparsely or as a finisher thats fine.

    well those are my ideas for good fights, thoughts?


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:51 pm

    To be honest I like those rules, howver only thing I'd add I think a rule about buffs needs to be had as a guy who uses a weapon buff, eats moss and uses power within you're taking the piss really.

    Think it should be limited to one, you choose what it be.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by GrEeNgObLiN on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:55 pm

    Agree, make your choise
    -buff
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    Otherwise indeed it makes you disadvantage if oppenent uses all and you just one


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:57 pm

    I think something like vow of silence should be classed as a buff in my opinion during fightclub. It's an interesting tactic to pull out a no magic fight in my opinion


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Artorias on Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:01 pm

    What if they buff but have grass crest or clothery ring?


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:09 pm

    thats equipment artorias, so why would it apply to buffing rules? silly


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Artorias on Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:27 pm

    wait by moss you mean green blossom or the status healing moss, sorry i think i misread silly


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:28 pm

    i mean green blossom

    in my opinion it's fair game if they use both if not all three


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:39 pm

    Holy crap, I leave for a few hours, and this thread starts and already has almost 100 replies?

    Here's my opinion. Last night's swords only was fun. But, for general FC nights, it is too limiting. I would like more variety. Here's what I think is fair.


    • Magic - should be allowed. The exception is TWoP.
    • WoG - should be allowed (maybe not in Btown's small arena). But, limit it to 3 casts.
    • Buffs - allowed. Many of us don't buff, but that is a choice. If buffs aren't allowed, then more vit-gouged elemental builds will spring up. Those can be boring to fight.
    • BS - allowed, BUT - no Hornet's ring, and limit it to 1 per duel. No obvious BS fishing, or Oki BS.
    • Turtling - no allowed. Nothing is more annoying or sucky as a turtle.
    • Standard, bow, buff, grass. Unlimited Grass/moss, no healing.

    IMO, too many restrictions kills the variety. We just need to prevent ridiculously OP builds (such as poise tanking, turtling, havel flippin, hornet stabbage). Variety is what makes fighting fun. You never know what your opponent will bring to the fight, and you need to be prepared and know your weapons well.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:34 pm

    I like the 'one wog slot', the 'opponent only has to allow 1 buff', and the no horets ring ideas. Keeps things even without rendering playstyles useless. Dont get me wrong, i don't bs very often, but i don't think its cool to tell the skilled bsers they cant do so.

    IE: poise stacked tank bsing isn't allowed, roll bsing the opponents swing is. Espically if aoe spells are allowed, as it gives non-dwgr users a means to punish attempts. Pivot parrying works to.

    My point being i wouldn't ban a mechanic based on tactics not used in fc. it would be like banning tacos because people in other schools had a food fight. If it becomes a problem, the rules can always be renegotiated


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by RANT on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:33 pm

    poise stacked tank bsing isn't allowed, roll bsing the opponents swing is. quote

    so what youre trying to say is pivot bs'ing is cool which means fishing for a bs is cool? caus that's what a lot of people would do, specially against heavy weapons. if it would be allowed people would just wait for you to attack and bs you if you have an ultra gs, i know some people are good at avoiding pivot bs'ing but the tiniest mistake could lead to death.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:55 pm

    That's one of the risks you take with a weapon that can smash you into the ground. For my GC, i had a lot more safety knowing I could roll R1 without being BS. I could do over 1,000 in damage when it was buffed, and the move is easy to do, and spammable.

    Limiting BS to one per fight would still be fair, IMO.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:55 pm

    Isnt that a tradeoff for using heavy weapons? either you hit and do 6-8 hundred damage or miss and get bsed. If anything it would make heavy weapon users really, really good at knowing when and how to attack to avoid being punished.

    As is i feel they abuse the no bs rule and their users suffer from not having to consider bsing in their strategies. The rule removes the primary weekness of the weapon class. Kats don't do 600 a swing because they're fast and difficult to bspunish. Zwhiehanders do because they're slow and easy to bspunish.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:57 pm

    LOL - we had the same thought at the same time.


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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by Grey-Ronin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:00 am

    I agree with all Reim's suggestions.

    The one thing I'd like to point out is that the maximum soul level for FC (at the moment SL120) should not be a suggestion but a requirement. I spent the vast majority of Saturday as a host and noticed some players were higher than SL120, which I think is not in the spirit of Fight Club. Now I would personally like the Max level to be SL125, but am happy to be at whatever the community likes.

    Respect your fellow combatants and don't try to get a sneaky advantage i think is the basic ideal of FC.
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    Re: Open discussion of future FC events.

    Post by RANT on Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:00 am

    a good kat or rapier buff build does around 600 so i dont know about that trade off beign that big specially when lag heplps thrust weapons A LOT.


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