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    Estoc Question

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:15 pm

    I like the moveset and want to use it more, should I go +14 or elemental.
    40 Dex, ~22 Str


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    Re: Estoc Question

    Post by Yesuurd on Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:17 pm

    Will you have faith or int too? Because the best is to have a +15 and buff.


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    Re: Estoc Question

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:25 pm

    Nope, so I guess I'll go chaos, I saw this:
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    a minute after I posted this x(


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    Re: Estoc Question

    Post by callipygias on Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:27 pm

    The Estoc might be my favorite overall weapon... top 3 anyway. My main character has it maxed out in every category except lightning (which is probably the best way to go for pvp). If you have high enough faith and the Sunlight Blade miracle though, I'd recommend taking it to +15. Then you have the option to apply the different buffs. That said, I probably use my Chaos Estoc more often than the others. That's pretty much no help at all, is it?

    Are you going to do multiple playthroughs with that character?
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    Re: Estoc Question

    Post by Yesuurd on Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:46 pm

    Yeah that's why I asked, chaos sounds good since you will not have buffs....but also try to make a +15 and you cna buff with resins to see how it goes.


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    Re: Estoc Question

    Post by Dellusions on Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:54 pm

    Ok, please allow me a minute here to explain.

    If you are at 40 dex, the +14 or +15 Estoc will ALWAYS be the best option.

    I know you're looking at the damage the weapon says it does, and you'll see that the Chaos +5 does 422 damage, and the +15 normal only does 342, but you need to realize something important here. When you run chaos/fire/lightning, or any other elem, you are going against 2 different resistances.

    So for example, I have 400 phys def, and 300 lightning, and you attack me with a phys weapon, you are going through 400 defense, and will have about 180 damage removed from your attack, but then you attack me with a lightning weapon, and you face 700 resists (400+300) and will have 300 damage removed from your attack. You gained 80 damage, but lost 120.

    The same holds true against monsters in PVE, and it gets even more extreme towards the end of the game, and in NG+ ++ and so on.

    You do NOT need to buff a normal +15 weapon to have it be better than elemental, if you have 40 in the damage stat that it comes from, in almost every single situation, the normal will be better. Only 2-3 weapons differ from this.

    Go test it if you'd like, It's already been done for many many weapons.
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    Re: Estoc Question

    Post by Yarxov on Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:10 pm

    Thank you, I didn't go forward with the chaos on my 40 Dex char, i'll test it out, thanks!
    (PS out of +1's today, I owe you one xD)


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    Re: Estoc Question

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:44 pm

    Well put, Dell.


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