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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:26 pm

    @railbladderX whats "pots"? And backstabbing isnt bad at all, infact its almost necessary against 2500 health.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by RailBladerX on Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:11 pm

    Yarxov wrote:@railbladderX whats "pots"? And backstabbing isnt bad at all, infact its almost necessary against 2500 health.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:16 pm

    Oh, never heard it said that way heh.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yukon on Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:20 pm

    "Or maybe invades should be on a timer which would give those that use their skill to kill their opponent fast and quick the more reward in their victory."

    Wouldn't that encourage more cheap tactics? Like throwing people from cliffs or poise backstabs? If you need to kill your enemy as quick as possible you are going to be as cheap as you possibly can, not worried about skill.

    I think adding a lessen of souls for pushing off cliffs or having enemies kill the host would be nice, like the invader has to land the final hit if they want the most souls, but then again there is already no con to invading. In demons souls you used to lose a soul level if you lost, in dark souls there is no penalty just go get your souls, you dont even lose a humanity.
    That didn't seem to stop cheap tactics however. There will always be people that play to win rather than to have your perefence of "fun", nothing wrong with that.
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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:22 pm

    I don't like this 'varied' soul income, The host may simply sacrifice himself then to screw the invader out of some souls.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yukon on Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:24 pm

    As it is now the host can just disconnect too, but you don't see that often. Hosts typically don't WANT to die. so I can't see them throwing themselves off cliffs as a middle finger to the invader cause they still are the losing party


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:37 pm

    But if the host knows he's going to die, say, out of estus, outmatched, and only 1/10th health left, I 'd screw the invader out of as many souls as I could.

    People will always be rude and unchivalrous, look at war today, new things, Guns, guess what is the most stupidly unfair way someone can kill another person? They can't do **** to have a 'duel'.

    It's fine as-is, it's not a duel at all, It's an invasion, Dragon stone invasions are duels, Red eye summons are duels, but the three primary ways (Alvina, DW,DM) are invasions that are meant to F you over in any way possible.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by lorenzo110 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:56 am

    As I said yukon people are going to play the way they want to play as long as the game mechanics allow it. Its fair play if its in play and allowed. Some may not like the so called cheap tactics and some might. Its all user preference. I honestly could care less, because they end up dying anyway when they keep using the same tricks over and over and become predictable in their tactics. And predictability is an easy death in this game because there are counters for everything including a persons tactics. I merely offered some opin on possible ways the game creators could have made things fair in some peoples eyes. Nothing more nothing less. Just my opin.
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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Artorias on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:26 am

    People paid for their game and they play how they want it! big grin
    From will never remove bs as that would penalize the single player aspect of the game


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by RailBladerX on Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:34 pm

    I think I've stated somewhere in here that they can easily make it work 2 different ways against NPCs and Players. Wouldn't be hard one programmer to another.
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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by CrackSouls on Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:11 pm

    Kerberos-013 wrote:Attacking a bowing player. I will never bow to an invader until they're dead simply bcause I have been attacked too many times at the end of a bow.

    Oh boy could I go on and on about that... It's getting trickier lately. I stand waaaaay back now to avoid a bs but now I sometimes get a CSS to the face...

    Every videogame will have **** players. I try to just enjoy the good ones I meet (coincidentally pretty much ALL from Fight Club or randoms from Japan, sadly).


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by CrackSouls on Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:15 pm

    Yukon wrote:As it is now the host can just disconnect too, but you don't see that often. Hosts typically don't WANT to die. so I can't see them throwing themselves off cliffs as a middle finger to the invader cause they still are the losing party

    I'm pretty sure Invader gets his reward still...


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:13 pm

    You missed the entire point of that lol!
    They were saying that reducing the souls depending on how the host was killed.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Kerberos-013 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:03 pm

    Well, last weekend I decided to stop invading and Host instead. I killed Gwyndolin and headed to the Kiln and summoned a phantom. Decided to go with "no tactic is cheap" mentality and abuse BS. After more practice I have become very good at BS, even got some chain BS. It feels pretty dirty though, I was using a Lightning Zwei and hornet ring.

    Had a bunch of pretty unfair 2v1 hosting, but it's part of the game mechanics right? happy
    Half of the time I let the phantom fight 1v1. One time I got 2 red Invaders in Kiln for a 2v2 which was awesome except for my Phantom went down fast and the 2 invaders got me.

    One invader who was playing pretty straight up, sent me message to fight a phantom alone so I obliged. Phantom was using a spear and was beaten after a decent match. I let the invader heal, we bow and then fight. It was a close match, but I ended up with a BS to end it. Once you realize how easy BS is it becomes hard not to go there, clearly unbalanced. Anyway I finished my play through and retired the sl220 for now.

    Decided to start a new character use the BB glitch and go Sunbros and help players in co-op. Pretty fun to go back to lower sl and beat up on BB glitch invaders. When I first started got invaded at sl24, before gargoyle in the burg by a guy throwing poison and shooting a Avelyn. Interesting tactic. I was sporting my regular Knights armor as usual, so he probably thought another victim. Managed to get him close then, oh surprise lighting zwei to the face.
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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:20 pm

    hornet's ring, BS/CSS while bowing, WoG spamming, turtling, ganking....

    In summary a lot, and it's really disappointing.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:32 pm

    Is ganking 3v1 only or is 2v1 considered it too?


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Tolvo on Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:33 pm

    Both are ganking.

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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by callipygias on Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:40 pm

    When invaders try to drag me into the engine enemies is that ganking too?
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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Artorias on Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:42 pm

    if you have a phantom and they do that they want a 1v1 with you, but if you are alone the guy is a noob who cant win


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:45 pm

    Noob is too harsh for that situation.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Midgar on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:50 pm

    I love when I'm outnumbered, I hate when they heal though despite odds being highly in their favor. Anyways whoever said they payed for it means they can play however they want is right. If I don't like the people I'm fighting or it's just plain boring I generally just BC or sign out/quit game to not give them the satisfaction of winning or any souls if they are farming. There's nothing you can do really, if you don't like how they play then just leave.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by johnnyjwa on Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:41 pm

    Something that has been happening a lot to me today in the kiln. For example:

    Me and an opponent bow, and have an awesome epic honorable duel. We are both at <100 hp and its pretty tense. All the sudden out of nowhere (had not seen it throughout the entire fight) he whips out a talisman and wrath of gods me for the win. Gota say thats a pretty dirty low blow. I was not expecting it and wrath of god is cheap enough as is.

    This is just my opinion bring on the "shoulda payed more attentions..." and what not.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Yarxov on Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:35 am

    It is pretty cheap honestly, smart, but after a duel with no dirty OP tactics that shouldn't have been expected on your part.


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:11 am

    johnnyjwa wrote:Something that has been happening a lot to me today in the kiln. For example:

    Me and an opponent bow, and have an awesome epic honorable duel. We are both at <100 hp and its pretty tense. All the sudden out of nowhere (had not seen it throughout the entire fight) he whips out a talisman and wrath of gods me for the win. Gota say thats a pretty dirty low blow. I was not expecting it and wrath of god is cheap enough as is.

    This is just my opinion bring on the "shoulda payed more attentions..." and what not.

    sorry johnny but i disagree that was 'cheap', it wasn't in a spam, just a single cast and in my opinion magic is fair game, pretty much every magic except when you spam it (or do something like TWOP to BS combo, I love those guys silly)

    If it had come at any other point in the duel then you probably wouldn't have thought it was cheap to be fair, just something for you to consider happy


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    Re: Cheap tactics in pvp and Kiln

    Post by Gol on Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:22 am

    Yeah that's like the great combustion you didn't expected.
    And I agree it's cheap, seriously, the guy played melee only during the enter fight and when he know he's gonna lose he uses the miracle/pyromancy that requires the less skill. Look Skyward

    If I knew it I wouldn't have refrained myself using miracles and pyromancy during the fight.

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