Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

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    Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by aceluby on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:39 pm

    Any reason why people choose the claymore over the Bastard Sword? Only difference I see is no thrust motion, but if you don't use that it actually does more damage. I just started using it and have been enjoying the move set.

    Anybody else go for the Bastard instead of the Claymore?


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by LittleLuden on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:44 pm

    bastard sword is crap when it comes to close quarters. and if you have some space, its more or less the same compared to the claymore damagewise. so it like the claymore better (unfortunately i made the cursed greatsword of artorias out of mine. i do regret that move a lot. especially because i either don´t have the stats nor the level to use it properly. a real noob move.)


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Yukon on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:53 pm

    I have a mage who uses an enchanted bastard sword, nothing wrong with it but the range is a little weaker. I think it does marginally better damage but I think the lack of interest in it is due to its shortened range, its like why people seem to choose uchi or washing over itaio. Just nice to have that little bit more of a hit box.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by PPG-3- on Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:09 pm

    i've used the bastard sword. Lightning. But always favored the claymore. Same with flamberge. Sucks cause everyone seems to favor claymore and it would be nice to have the increase in diversity but can't help selecting claymore over the other options in that weapon category.

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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Wade_Wilson on Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:11 pm

    Its all about versatility. The claymore deals thrust damage and has a long stab and the Flamberge can deal bleeding damage. The batard sword can only deal slash damage, and its one handed R1 has less range compared to both other weapons.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by RANT on Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:14 pm

    it has less reach than the claymore and reach matters specially with lag.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Yarxov on Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:17 pm

    I like the Bastard Sword since it looks cool :3
    Any moveset is good if you use it properly. Except the Broadsword. I hate that moveset.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Serious_Much on Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:24 pm

    The problem with Bastard sword is its pretty much the claymore with less reach and no useful R2 stab attack.

    I just find it to be an inferior weapon to the claymore, which is why you can buy the bastard sword but not the claymore


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by aceluby on Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:01 pm

    I figured that reach had to be it. I personally don't really notice that much and never used the thrust of the claymore, so it seems to fit my playstyle a bit better. I just figured 'why didn't I try this out before?'


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by DJ_XHERO on Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:34 pm

    I pref flamberge because of B dex scaling makemit a dex great sword i really like it
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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Whknight on Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:38 pm

    I find it inferior, I just can't justify using it when the claymore offers me better versatility for the slot. Also I have a Scottish heritage, I would be using the claymore even if it was inferior


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Deadpool on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:03 pm

    I have yet to use it since I started yesterday. I've been told to start another character but I don't think that's a good idea yet lol. But it seems like people favor the claymore.....more lol. Definitely gonna check these weps out on my char I make later on.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Carphil on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:28 pm

    Well, the man serpent greatsword has the same moveset as the bastard sword you know... But of course has a better range and scaling.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by aceluby on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:35 pm

    Carphil wrote:Well, the man serpent greatsword has the same moveset as the bastard sword you know... But of course has a better range and scaling.

    Only for Str builds and also requires 50% more Str to 1 hand.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by WarriorOfSunlight on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:50 pm

    It was ignored in DeS as well. It's the bastard child of the greatsword family.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Enigma5991 on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:01 pm

    Claymore all the way. The extra range is plenty incentive to chose it over the other.

    The MSG is a nice weapon, and I would chose that over the Bastard if possible. It's, a lot better.
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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by meridam99 on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:04 pm

    LittleLuden wrote:bastard sword is crap when it comes to close quarters. and if you have some space, its more or less the same compared to the claymore damagewise. so it like the claymore better (unfortunately i made the cursed greatsword of artorias out of mine. i do regret that move a lot. especially because i either don´t have the stats nor the level to use it properly. a real noob move.)

    I wouldn't say it's crap, but it is definately not as good as the Claymore. Personally I think the Claymore is bugged as it does not get stopped by obstacles like other weapons, but I believe that is why people use it.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Henkyona on Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:13 am

    WarriorOfSunlight wrote:It was ignored in DeS as well. It's the bastard child of the greatsword family.

    Oh ok so that's how it got it's name :3


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:56 am

    Its not just the reach, its that it has shorter reach and is roughly the same speed. I love my iaito, short reach and all, because its fast enough to make up for it. If the bastard sword were faster, i believe it would be much more common.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by aceluby on Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:15 am

    I tested out the reach yesterday, Claymore has a longer reach by just a tiny bit assuming the hit detection on the wall is a good measure. In Anor Londo there are squares on the floor and the claymore doesn't miss until you are on the line between the 4th and 5th while the bastard missed just before the line. If you like the moveset I think it's pretty good as an early/mid game weapon option if you haven't gotten the claymore, or upgraded it down a certain path.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Yarxov on Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:57 pm

    I made a Chaos Bastard sword and I like it so far, makes me feel special and unique.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by bloodpixel on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:43 pm

    Because it's a bastard.


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by Yukon on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:53 pm

    bloodpixel wrote:Because it's a bastard.

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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by SmittyRomps on Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:43 am

    I use bastard sword cause i prefer the movset. The R2 smash attack is awesome especially for enemies that turtle, but its definitely an early/mid game weapon. Been using it on my new toon (str/faith build) and it hasnt done me wrong. But as soon as i get enough strength ill be switching to MSG or zwei


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    Re: Why no love for the Bastard Sword?

    Post by djgq42 on Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:46 am

    Yukon wrote:
    bloodpixel wrote:Because it's a bastard.


    oh, that deserves some recognition. +1

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