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    The Usage of Estus in Duels

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    It's bad/coward to heal with Estus (or Humanity) in the middle of Duels (not random invasions)?

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    Post by ChizFreak Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:17 am

    I'm talking about Duels, aka 1 on 1 duels when both bow before the beginning of the battle and no one else interferes.

    It's really a bad thing? Yes, in my opinion, but what do you think? When I invade I always have Humanity as a hotkey but I only use it if the enemy uses an Estus (or Humanity too) in the middle of the duel. I really think it's kind of lame because it takes the out of the place the thing about death. They could flask all day, I would have to backstab, which usually doesn't kill them in 1 hit, so they heal again, or I would have to use a Lloyd's Talisman, but I really have to? I mean, this is a duel, a true fight between warriors, to me, healing in middle of the battle, it's kind of a cheat and an insult to the opponent. It's okay if you use Replenishment (or Sanctus), but no heals of any kind please.

    You disagree? Post your opinion below.


    If it's a random invasion, I don't care if he heals or not, because he didn't ask to be invaded so he is in all his right to do so.
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    Post by Blazefury Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:19 am

    I'm totally against it. If I'm invading, alright, the guy is on with his business and I'm there to mess everything up for him, so he can heal all day and I wont care. But if you're dueling, just man up for christ sake and accept that you've been bested, that's what I think.
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    Post by Toastfacekillah Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:25 am

    My views are as above - if you're dueling, you work with you've got. But what if you're deliberately waiting for invasions? I do this alot and I treat every invasion as a duel. However, I don't expect the invader to do as i do. Its nice if they don't heal but as soon as they do it once, out come the lloyds and pies. I still don't heal tho as its my choice to play in this way.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:37 am

    i'd take it as a complement, it mean i would have won fair. it also tends to affect the healers tactics, they get really aggressive or really cautious and in either case it makes it easier to predict their moves and win anyways.
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    Post by RANT Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:52 am

    if he(she) bows he better not heal or ill just bs to death.
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    Post by justwant2play Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:13 am

    That's the fun of random invasions: no informal rules, just create havoc against your enemies.
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    Post by lextune Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:39 am

    I never heal at the kiln. During invasions or when invading.

    If the fight is going well (ie- one person is not clearly superior), and all of a sudden they heal I stop fighting. If it is an invasion I crystal out if I can, and if I am the host I strip naked and stand still.

    Do it all the time. Get many messages about it, lol. Sometimes people get it and then want to have afair duel....I like to think I might have changes the ways of one or two of them....

    ....who knows.

    When I invade at Anor or the Demon Ruins, (my 2 favorite places to invade) it is Lloyds, humanity, total mayhem, anything and everything goes, lol.
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    Post by BLA1NE Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:42 am

    I think we all pretty much agree here! Except the 3 who voted for healing during a duel... Huh?

    - Duel: no healing, no excuses. No Estus, no humanities, no miracles (who uses a heal miracle during a duel?!).

    - Invading: host is not a farmer, is trying to get through the level, he may heal. Host is a farmer, *** of course he's going to heal, but he's a *****. As an invader, I never heal, no matter the circumstances. I'm in Sen's and I get knocked down by a guillotine like a noob, have almost no health left? I'll climb back up and won't heal. Only item I keep in my quick-slots anymore is the Red Eye orb, and sometimes the Red Sign and White Sign stones--that's it.
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    Post by Yesuurd Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:05 am

    Agreed, I never heal when invading and I do expect a fair duel when I place my sign.Same
    as everyone else has said, I just invade again if I die.We darkwraiths have that advantage and it is so humiliating when you get killed by one of us although you healed about 6 times and also had another phantom helping which got backstabbed in your face.

    And yes, when you die and the host healed 3 times, in my mind I won in a sense.
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    Post by Serious_Much Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:22 am

    Duel- no healing

    Random Invasion- healing
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    Post by ChizFreak Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:32 pm

    BLA1NE wrote:I think we all pretty much agree here! Except the 3 who voted for healing during a duel... Huh?

    - Duel: no healing, no excuses. No Estus, no humanities, no miracles (who uses a heal miracle during a duel?!).

    - Invading: host is not a farmer, is trying to get through the level, he may heal. Host is a farmer, *** of course he's going to heal, but he's a *****. As an invader, I never heal, no matter the circumstances. I'm in Sen's and I get knocked down by a guillotine like a noob, have almost no health left? I'll climb back up and won't heal. Only item I keep in my quick-slots anymore is the Red Eye orb, and sometimes the Red Sign and White Sign stones--that's it.

    I agree with healing miracles, but do you include defensive miracles too? Like Great Magic Barrier.
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    Post by theAnimus Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:46 pm

    What kind of poll is this?
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    Post by strangejoy Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:47 pm

    I've always thought that healing miracles should be allowed, because both parties have access to miracles, and it's so difficult to pull off a healing miracle that only a lunatic would waste a slot and subject themself to an inevitable backstab.
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    Post by venomblader Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:56 pm

    How bad in pvp do you have to be to even let your enemy use Estus o.O
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    Post by Glutebrah Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:27 pm

    if you it is a wanted duel, and you bow (like klin or painted worlds where they are waiting for you and not trying to beat level) i don't expect them to heal. if they do, pepper thy angus for pivot backstab chains
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    Post by Yesuurd Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:45 pm

    venomblader wrote:How bad in pvp do you have to be to even let your enemy use Estus o.O


    well this is true when it is a duel...it is much easier to BS while someone is chugging while dueling.
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    Post by BLA1NE Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:59 pm

    @Strangejoy

    Thing is, healing miracles are misleading. Nobody's going to mistake your healing miracle for WoG! But they may think you're trying to cast Gravelord Greatsword Dance, or TWoP, so their instinct would be to back off. Then they notice you healed and feel doubly cheated.

    @Venom

    Not everyone PvPs with a weapon that does 700+ damage to your opponent in one hit! And some of us have issues with backstabbing, so we hesitate long enough to miss our window of opportunity while someone chugs. One of those people is me. I hate backstabbing anymore, so by the time I override my "no-bs" policy and go for it it's often too late! Then I end up doing a regular hit on them, which is weaker than how much they heal, so they get away with more health than they started with.
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    Post by Doelker Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:31 pm

    Ok, what about this scenario about duels or randoms invasions rules, at the end I have never seen an invader that behaves the way you say you do. Just a couple of days ago, i was on my way to Sif and I took the way from the Basin where the Hydra is to get to the cats, because I wanted to avoid as many invasions as posible.
    Anyways, I got invaded by Darkness Vega while I was fighting the cats, I was able to see him or her (I don't know his her gender) comming so I backtracked a little bit so the cats and darkness didn't wipe the floor with my butt.
    Anyways, I killed Darkness though, but my point is that any invasion or duel or whatever doesn't seem fair to me, in one you get backstabbed while fighting an enemy or in the other the player is like a demigod and one hit kills you.
    What if I bow back just for being polite?
    That means I wont be able to heal even i was randomly invaded?
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    Post by venomblader Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:17 pm

    You guys missunderstood me. I meant that everyone would normally have respective amount of Lloyd's Talisman. I always have it ready for every situation, and I use it even during my own invasions.
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    Post by BLA1NE Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:29 pm

    @Doelker

    I don't know who you're replying to. But if you were replying to me: 1. I never said invaders behave the way I do. I KNOW most people who play Dark Souls online are cheap-*** douches. I just said I do not heal when I invade.

    2. I also said, if you are the one getting invaded, then I consider it fair for you to heal as long as you were legitimately trying to beat the level and not farming invaders.
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    Post by Dark75Messiah Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:25 pm

    I dont have an issue allowing the invader to use a humanity or ritual to heal before we duel, in the same way I like to bow and allow the invader time to buff a weapon.
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    Post by Serious_Much Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:36 pm

    Forgotten threads 2: Return of the Necrobumper
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    Post by Darkson Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:42 pm

    Lmao lol Seriously... It's not that much of a necrobump I think. No?
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    Post by Serious_Much Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:59 pm

    It's a month old, of course that classes as a necrobump silly
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    Post by ChizFreak Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:00 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:Forgotten threads 2: Return of the Necrobumper

    Really, why would someone post in this thread? I created it a month ago.

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