Demon's Souls summoning levels

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    Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by chantienyee on Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:30 pm

    Hey guys.
    There are two pages that I cite a lot when I'm trying to coop in Dark Souls; I found them quickly and easily with a Google search. Finding similar resources for Demon's Souls has proven really difficult. I've played a lot of Demon's Souls in the past, but 95% offline because of tendencies.

    I did a little Google research and put together a list of levels that others have claimed to be particularly conducive for connecting with other players. I hope others find it as useful as I hope to.

    Please give feedback for any levels and areas that you find work well for online play and I'll add them, or if you want to confirm or challenge any of my findings (none of this is from personal experience).

    Cheers.
    (Sorry for the sucky formatting -- wasn't sure how else to display it here -- suggestions?)



    most active?_________________________________20, 40-95, 80-150
    NG+ (and beyond)_____________________________70-125


    1-1_____Phalanx
    _____________+ Executioner Miralda
    1-2_____Tower Knight_________________________20, 25-35, 30
    _____________+ Red Dragon
    1-3_____Penetrator___________________________25-35, 45, 49, 50-70, 53
    _____________+ Primeval Demon
    1-4_____False King Allant______________________49, 60, 60-90, 80
    _____________+ Blue Dragon
    _____________+ 3x black phantom


    2-1_____Armor Spider_________________________10-25, 20, 30
    _____________+ Primeval Demon
    2-2_____Flamelurker__________________________20, 30, 35
    _____________+ Scirvir, The Wanderer
    _____________+ 2x black phantom
    2-3_____Dragon God


    3-1_____Fool's Idol___________________________20, 25-30, 30, (empty)
    _____________+ Lord Rydell
    _____________+ black phantom
    3-2_____Maneater____________________________40, 53, (empty)
    _____________+ Primeval Demon
    3-3_____Old Monk____________________________50, 40, (buggy lvl)


    4-1_____Adjudicator__________________________15-35, 30; pvp: 100-125, 125
    _____________+ Satsuki
    4-2_____Old Hero_____________________________20, 25-35, 30, 35, 40-50, 53 (sometimes)
    _____________+ Primeval Demon
    _____________+ black phantom
    4-3_____Storm King


    5-1_____Leechmonger_________________________25, (empty)
    5-2_____Dirty Colossus________________________20, 50, (empty)
    _____________+ Primeval Demon
    _____________+ Selen Vinland
    _____________+ black phantom
    5-3_____Maiden Astraea
    _____________+ Garl Vinland


    LEGEND:
    -"(empty)" = claim to be little to no summoning
    -"(buggy lvl)" = claim that level requirements of invading for Old Monk battle may not apply (ie level 10 invading a level 125, or vice versa)


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by phastings on Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:22 pm

    Great list, chantienyee. Do you know if there is any low lvl pvp areas for the 30-40 sl range? I don't want to over level like my last build


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by chantienyee on Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:37 am

    Hard for me to say since I haven't played much online. I did a playthrough the day after Peeves "relaunch," but was only invaded once, I think. It was level 20-ish in 1-2.

    I made a build with the intention of specifically only beating a level with a phantom, since I've only ever soloed everything. It was tough to connect at some points which is why I made this list. It's only awesome in theory though, I wasn't able to test it very well, and the soul levels are quoted from a few years ago for the most part, I think.

    You may get more invasions in 3-anything before The Old Monk? I remember getting invaded one of the few times years ago there. And when I was summoned as a phantom in this latest playthrough my host was invaded in 3-1. I think the level was quite a bit higher though like 50-70?


    EDIT: Also, sorry. I realize that didn't really answer your question... I'm not sure about 30-40. But try the levels where that aligns above? You might even get lower level PVP in 4-1, even though it's mostly at 125 there.
    EDIT 2: Oh, I may have been invaded in 5-1 also at about 30-40, now that I think about it too. Not sure how conducive that level is to duel-style PVP, though...


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by phastings on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:22 pm

    Thanks again! Yep I'm beginning to realize that most players are in soul form bc I see plenty of white phantoms but not having much luck invading.

    However, 2-2 seems to be regularly invadable at around 30-33, but is usually the same few players so inconsistent at best.

    4-1 is dead at those levels
    (So is 1-2).

    I am attempting to exploit the primieval demon colorless soul glitch thru invading 2-1, so dropped down from 33 to 27, but I think that was too high a lvl to invade there, and of course the world tendency shifted back to white when I returned to play. Was invaded there during coop at around lvl 20, so perhaps some low lvl action. I'm gonna start leveling a little higher to test the waters, so I'll try and report my findings.

    * so far the best coop/pvp is in 1-3 after tower night. great level for coop!
    -got summoned as a blue dozens of times Soul lvl 37-40.
    -got invaded a dozen more times soul lvl 41. upper upper 40s/lower 50s probably the best

    P.s. What would be really cool, tho I don't know if it is even possible;
    - if atlus would program in ability to invade/be invaded during soul form, then switch online connectivity to P2P. This would ensure one on one duels for the fans who still play.they could release it as a DLC (bc they wouldn't do it for free, and I be happy to pay) then they could shut down their servers and we could play online indefinitely


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by Walter_White on Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:36 pm

    atm i'm doing a lot of invasions and coop with my sl 53 toon.
    Invasion is working good in 1-3, sometimes in 4-2 @ sl 53
    In 3-2 i set my blue and have pretty much co-op and sometimes Old Monk

    I regret, that i went from sl 20 to sl 53. SL 20 was much better, you can invade everywhere (reasonable, 4-3 is not reasonable for example).

    @ sl 20 and x-2 level you get mostly highly skilled player, in the x-1 it's mixed
    @ sl 53 i mostly get 1st playthrough player, with which you can toy around bare fisted, not funny any more

    Most players go low level today in DeS. SL 20 is the maximum for skilled player to go to ng+


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by Marionx on Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:21 pm

    Great list! I've been thinking about doing some coop, but I wasn't too sure about the level I should be at. happy 


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by chantienyee on Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:25 pm

    Thanks Walter.
    I updated the list somewhat with your 53s and 20s.
    I'm curious what your evidence is for experienced players sticking to SL20 and NG+ at SL20. It seems a bit arbitrary, whereas, say, a base level, SL1, natural progression SL (70ish for NG+?), or 125 for PVP all have purposes.



    Is this because SL20 is a good average SL for most areas? I can see that. I actually tried to stay around that level for my current build for that reason, but was really unsure about summoning levels -- time of day may have factored significantly into that as well. But I really struggled with connecting at all in some levels.

    It would be nice if there were more community standards for Demon's Souls. Dark Souls arguably gives you a lot more freedom in the order in which you fight bosses and apprach areas, but I feel like it's a lot more common sense to be certain levels in certain areas (like SL20 doesn't make sense for fighting Seath).


    Is there a more active Demon's Souls online community than here? This subforum is so dead, particularly in light of Peeves "relaunch."


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by Hatsune Miku on Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:52 pm

    Well done, chant. I've been looking for information on this.
    You have my thanks!


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by phastings on Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:12 pm

    1-3 and 1-4 are pretty active for invading @ sl 49. If you see Robert frost invasion message, be ready for that pain


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by chantienyee on Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:36 am

    Thanks. 1-3 and 1-4 updated happy


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    Re: Demon's Souls summoning levels

    Post by Walter_White on Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:17 pm

    chantienyee wrote:Thanks Walter.
    I updated the list somewhat with your 53s and 20s.
    I'm curious what your evidence is for experienced players sticking to SL20 and NG+ at SL20. It seems a bit arbitrary, whereas, say, a base level, SL1, natural progression SL (70ish for NG+?), or 125 for PVP all have purposes.
    I don't know why others are doing that, but i can give you my reasons:
    SL20: want to be able to fight with the claymore 1-handed, want to use bows and uchi, want some more stamina and HP without going too high, so temple knight going to SL20
    SL1-7 is useless in PvP/co-op, there are some guys who do that, but not enough. With SL 20 you get some guys who want higher difficult and the guys who just start in the x-1 level.

    I wanted to make a PvP build and tested some SL until i found out, that SL20 gave me the most invasions. SL53 i made because that's the lowest i managed (viable, with some stamina and HP) with DBS+CW+SC or NR and dual Katana. I look with what i want to fight and the test how low i can go for that. Then i test how much i can invade with that. The result is, stick with SL20 and don't use SC (you get something around the same HP if you don't pump in HP, but in the stat for SC and then cast it....but you have to cast it after the invasion, so i went without SC).


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