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    The Perfect Build

    Post by Myztyrio on Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:18 am

    What is your definition of a perfect build? What aspects of the game do you want it to revel in? Where should you soul level, investments, equipment, lie?

    Feel free to explain in depth your answer(s) and debate with one another. If enough varied answers arise, I will make a poll.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by SadPanda on Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:35 am

    Something that can cover wherever areas you like the most. I personally like quality builds emphasizing slow and fast weapons. A good example is my leo build which uses a Greatsword and a Rapier/Warpick.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by raecor14 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:16 am

    easy, something that is at a PVP hotspot soul level. something that has a well thought out set-up, not min maxing. something that combines weapon typed and lastly something that looks badass


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by xenon_nobelium on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:42 pm

    http://mmdks.com/3ici this is the perfect build!
    jokes aside, a lvl100 char needs:
    fast roll
    61-76poise
    max scaling weapon(s)
    imo


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:56 pm

    xenon_nobelium wrote:http://mmdks.com/3ici this is the perfect build!
    jokes aside, a lvl100 char needs:
    fast roll
    61-76poise
    max scaling weapon(s)
    imo
    Can't do high level sorcery or miracles- not thanks silly

    To me, a perfect build is a build that has good poise, power, fast roll, long range option of attack, good health/stamina and looks awesome. Has to be a SL120 as it's the classic level.

    For me it would probably be a dex/int hybrid, buffed dex weapon, offhand moonlight horn.. something like this

    http://mmdks.com/3mi3



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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Dutchy on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:46 pm

    I just love fast weapons, fast rolls, fast cars, fast women... Oh, sorry silly But anything that looks awesome and is fast FAST FAST! (I love the look of artorias armour, gold hemmed head and pants, and Ciaran Gloves!)


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:52 pm

    http://mmdks.com/3mjt

    Nothing like a fastrolling giant's dex/pyro at 120.  With just under 1900 health.

    Rapier for turtle pokes, shotel for obvious reasons.  You could run black flame x2 and go for poise trades that way too.  In fact, people won't expect that if you time your switch just right.  Suddenly on 45 dex you have as much poise trade + stunlock threat as a freaking mace.  With 77 poise and a boatload of hp, this build is as obnoxious as any at 120.

    Buff or hybrid builds can sacrifice defense/poise for more dps on a weapon buff, and which is best is strictly preference.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by SirArchmage on Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:35 pm

    For me I made three builds, because of the variety of my playstyle.

    I believe in the normal things that make a build great. It should have a ranged option, able to dish out more then one type of damage if necessary, able to fend people off at both high and low health, does not rely on a tactic, has enough health to not be one-shot, and can fight well against any playstyle.
    Is also nice to have a good amount of defense, but since it doesn't matter unless you have ridiculously high amounts, won't really count that in.
    Also, for me, aesthetically pleasing looks is a big thing, so I put that into two of the builds.

    Now the first one is a battle-mage. http://mmdks.com/3mji I believe this to be one of the best classes in, well, every game there is. I always pick it and I know it's strengths and weaknesses. It has a decent shield, good defense, and looks great aesthetically(silver knight cape ftw). It can fight against GMB, has an array of spells, and plenty of ways to combo in attacks that kill the enemy in an instant. There are way too many variations of battle-mages in this game to count, so I will leave it at this one.

    A quality tank. http://mmdks.com/3mja or http://mmdks.com/3mkf  For me, it is perfectly fine to be mid-rolling. I know how to do it. I rarely even rely on my shield(despite me putting much effort into working in a Greatshield on one of them). It has a ranged option, able to use most weapons, and the current weapons can deal out much damage with the Washing Pole to finish off their last bit of health. Black knight shield for pyromancies, Big Hat for magic, and giant armor for physical defense. All with enough poise for three hits from a two-handed Katana, curved sword or straight sword. The other one is similar, though simply lowered poise to withstand a two-handed Ultra Greatsword. Versatile in many situations and can fight well against every type of build.

    Then there is this. http://mmdks.com/3mkk
    This monstrous abomination. I hate to say it but it is extremely effective. It can dead-angle, has more health then most builds, can do around 500-600 damage each swing, fast-rolls, and has enough poise to withstand an Ultra Greatsword. What it lacks in defense it makes up in sheer power. While lacking a ranged option, it has WoG and TWoP to help it out. The perfect build for trading-hits.

    These are some of my most effective builds. Love the first one for invading, the second one for hosting, and the third for gank-spanking.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Dibsville on Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:56 pm

    A build that is fast and can dish out good damage, as well as being viable for any situation; both close-up and from a distance. It would need vertical, horizontal, diaganol, and thrusting attacks. A straightsword variant immediately comes to mind for me, particularly the Longsword or Sunlight Straightsword, although the latter is a little slower and heavier for a negligible damge boost. A spear weapon as a secondary for when you need to out-range your opponent while still doing a good amount of damage, and a Bow off-hand for when sniping is necessary. A good shield with high stability and good defensive stats, preferably one that can parry. At least 31 poise in order to tank a few hits from the faster weapons, but light enough to dodge the slower weapons. A good amount of health, and some good ring bonuses to boot. And of course, it has to be stylish.

    http://mmdks.com/3mlo

    Of course, this is just my idea of a perfect build. This probably isn't viable for PvP use, however in PvE it would work beauitifully.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:37 pm

    ^ Pure quality builds can always be made PvP competitive though big grin.

    http://mmdks.com/3mmf

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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Jester's Tears on Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:43 pm

    Naked, a really BIG sword and a sack.
    Perfect~~~~


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Aigaios on Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:58 pm

    No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by SirArchmage on Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:06 pm

    Aigaios wrote:No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.
    Ugh. I made a bet with someone on how soon someone would say EXACTLY this. I bet within the first twelve hours.

    If only you said this 2 hours earlier.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Jester's Tears on Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:17 pm

    Aigaios wrote:No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.
    Belive me. 
    When you're naked. And have a BIG SWORD.
    You'll win. Everytime. Unless you fight someone who is even more naker. And has a BIGGER SWORD.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:29 am

    What matters more with the bigness of the sword?  Thickness or length?  A balance should be achieved, but perhaps one will be forced to make a choice and priorities must be known, lest they come across a superior individual.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Aigaios on Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:21 am

    You know what they say about men with big swords.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by SlintEastwood on Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:47 am

    Dex/Pyro for duels in the sl100 to 125 range, though for "all out" pvp probably a one-shot build since it's only thing that shuts down db's (aside from a chain, but a competent pvper should be avoiding them more often than not IMO).
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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:30 pm

    Nothing is better than my 40/40 quality build. No matter how many builds I make, I always seem to come back to it.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:44 am

    Something that fights how you are the best. I like 1 handing weapons (so I can attempt to parry) and not casting or projectiles. So, most of my builds are centered around those tenets, with some differences.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Thor_Odinson on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:07 pm

    Imo the perfect build fits your play style while maximizing what you are best at. In addition, it still has adequate armor ratings.

    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=444591827702583369

    Allows me to use the chaos uchi and rapier while having 315 armor down the board along with 54 poise. I can swap the uchi for a balder to use the grass crest shield with this combo aswell.  Of course at sl 120-130 armor becomes fairly easy while quickrolling unless your weapons are 10lbs.
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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by XachAttack on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:27 pm

    The perfect build is whatever you have the most fun using.


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    Re: The Perfect Build

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:48 pm

    Aigaios wrote:No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.
    While there is no "perfect" build per se, like you said, there are builds that are better against MORE enemies than some other builds. As an example: a light and agile bowman may have the upperhand against a tank, however will be at more of a disadvantage when fighting someone with a long-reaching spear.
    Then again, the spear user may also have an advantage over the tank. So a spear user could be useful in more situations than the bowman.

    In essence, the idea of the "perfect build" would be one that could be used in more situations than any other build; as in no matter what the scenario was, it would have the upperhand or at least be on some even ground.

    That's just my definition of it, which is why I chose a quality build-- something that is agile with high damage and is good for both close-up or far away fighting. But since nothing is perfect, a quality build is the best it gets in terms of usefulness in all situations (in my opinion).


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