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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by User on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:43 am

    Eh, that would ruin all the fun. There would not be much of an archive if everything was known, no?
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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:08 am

    GUYS check this out.


    http://www.uk.namcobandaigames.eu/community/topics/dark-souls-pendant-namco-read-this


    Secondly… if you have indeed chosen the Pendant when you created your character, it wasn’t the most cleaver of choices… because as you say, the Pendant is only useful if you want to trade it with the Hawk Girl. It will be converted by a Souvenir of Reprisal. You can also drop this item on Rhea of Thorolund.

    WTF??????!!!!! Drop it on Reah????? This has to be tested!!!!!!!


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by Yukon on Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:03 am

    I think I just heard this turns up a prism stone in the spot you dropped it. on reah and in the undead parish it happens. From what I have heard. someone else probably knows better


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by pylorih on Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:08 am

    Has someone tested the pendant drop to rhea yet?

    I plan to do this when I wake up later this morning ASAP.
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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by BLA1NE on Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:32 pm

    Hmm... Drop it when/ where? You meet her a couple times, if your pendant turns to a prism stone every time, someone with a lot of pendants is going to have to test this!

    Maybe you give it to her before she goes down to ToG, and it prevents Nico and Vince from going hollow--comforts travelers?


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:45 pm

    Reading that post it appears that the person's command of English is imperfect. Notice the inversion regarding the pendant to souvenir reference. I wonder if the person was just saying it drops from Rhea.

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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by Darkstar485 on Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:45 pm

    I was thinking, you know in Anor londo where you fight s&o there is the statue of gwyn and gwynmevere, and the third empty pedestal to his left? Maybe dropping the pendent in front of one? Or in all gwyns gear? Im most likely very wrong but its a theory.


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:30 pm

    I dropped the pendant in front of Reah when she's praying at the undead parish church. Nothing happens. sad


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:21 am

    Bla1ne, I sent an email to Namco Bandai support asking about the real use of the pendant and they told me that the only use is trading it with Snuggly. I have posted the email on General Discussions. I will do 2 more tests. I will drop the pendant in front of Reah before she goes to the Catacombs. The other test is that I will trade all the items that can be traded to Snuggly in one playthrough.


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:30 am

    Yeah, I read your thread. I'm not convinced by Namco's response, but I'm starting to lose faith in the pendant regardless. The wind's pretty much gone out of my sails on this subject.

    I'd like to know what happens in your drop test though! That's the only open avenue I can think of at the moment...


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:23 am

    What I'm going to be testing on a new playthrough is dropping it in front of hollowed characters to see if it has any effect.
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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by skarekrow13 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:17 am

    I posted a lore theory earlier on Emergence's new thread but dropped in for another reason. In my new quest for lore I decided to revisit Anor Londo's inner rooms and scope the paintings out. There are many pretty depictions of Anor Londo and something perhaps more interesting my binoculars made it easier to see. Hope this makes sense....in the room leading to the stairwell up to the roof there are mostly portraits rather than landscapes. I'm sure most people saw the painting of Chesty LaRue in this room. On the other side of the bed there are two portraits of what I believe are the same person. A little girl with a red dress and a young woman in a black one. They have the same hair and complexion and carry what appears to be either a paint brush or small wand in the right hand. Ok...binocular up and look at the girl in red portrait. You can see it without but this will let you focus. There is a thin cord from around her neck leading to below her left hand. It ends in a circle that strongly resembles the pendant (color, etc). I at first said to myself the cord was too long as the pendant should be like a necklace. I looked in my items anyway and from what I can tell, the pendant cord has several loops in it, meaning it does have a long cord like the painting. I tried to take a picture but it was garbage.

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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:43 am

    Im going to Anor Londo. Right NOW.


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:52 am

    Ok I got 2 theories. If that is a girl with a brush, it could be Ariamis. If it is a boy with a wand, it should be Gwyndolin, as he was raised as a girl. The portrait with the black dress also has like some napkin in one hand, like the Darkmoon talisman. All of these paintings reminded me of Rembrandt and I found a portrait that looks similar to the man with the fur coat. I think he has the Tin Darkmoon Catalyst.

    http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/rembrandt#supersized-portrait-220369


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by skarekrow13 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:53 am

    I was wondering about it being Ariamis as well but Gwyndolin makes sense too. I also noted that all of the portraits except for Gwynevere appear to be in the same style (Rembrandtish). Gwynevere looks more like a cartoon, like her illusion in her chamber. GREAT link. If that painting in Anor Londo isn't supposed to resemble that one I'll be darned for sure. The little girl's pic looked more like a brush but the young woman I though looked more like a wand. The last portrait in the room looks like it could be the same male as the Rembrandt one. Might have to look at more of his work to see if there's another obvious inspiration. I clicked through some from your link and saw a few that could be similar. Also, there's one that looks like the Xanthous King kind of. I wonder if Ariamis is the gentlemen in the pictures and Gwyndolin is the young lad(y), suggesting this could have been his room. The portrait of Gwynevere looking exactly like her illusion could mean that Gwyndolin sought to emulate Ariamis or be an artist as well and is responsible for that painting as well as the illusion.

    Anyway.......I was literally startled last night looking at that picture and saw the potential pendant. I was there digging for other lore and actually you helped me a ton by pretty much confirming the Rembrandt connection.

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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by AeroSigma on Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:25 pm

    I'll definatley check this out, I remember taking a long look at those painting during my first playthrough, but I didn't know enough about the lore then to read anything into them.

    My first thought about why the illusion and the painting look the same is that when Gwenyvere left, Gwyndolin used the painting as the template for his illusion. That dosen't explain the difference in style though...


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:02 am

    AeroSigma, trying not to hijack another thread with lore so check out the latest stuff in Emergence's linking lore thread. The Gwynevere painting is a different style from the rest in the room but looks pretty spot on for the illusion. I'm pretty sure that your theory is the best answer at this time.

    Getting back to the pendant....I did drop one in front of the young Gwyndolin portrait (I will assume it's him for now) but didn't have the heart to quit/reload as I didn't have a spare. I do now so could test this out I suppose. Not sure if this matters or I mentioned this but I am in Dark Londo. If someone is in Bright Londo to take a looksee at the paintings I would be interested to know if they all look the same. There are recurring images of war and carnage in the city (or so I believe) which goes along with concept of the darkened city. Perhaps in bright Londo, Gwyndolin has some of the images altered (more illusions).

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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by PhlyingDutchman on Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:17 am

    @Wyrm- awesome find!

    I'm going to try to cross-reference some pictures from that online catalog with those in the room. I'm thinking that if we can find the specific source material, we'll be able to tell what exactly From changed in each of the pictures. All that art is in the public domain because it is so old, so there wasn't a legal reason that they needed to modify it. Hopefully the modifications will make clear that Pendant's owner, though I suspect it to be Gwyndolin as well. This is additionally support by the fact that the Pendants only function in the game is to trade for a Souvenir of Reprisal, the trophies of the Darkmoons.

    Also the picture of Gwynevere is straight from the concept art/art book. Maybe its artist just wanted to put it in the game, and can't paint like Rembrandt. I don't know that the stylistic differences are necessarily significant. Now whose bedroom that is- that I would like to know!

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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by BLA1NE on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:46 pm

    I like the new direction these theories have taken. I was pretty sure the pendant wouldn't be used so close to where you pick it up, so I like Anor Londo. I don't have anything concrete to contribute, but I can offer a line of thought:

    The theory is that Petrus drops the pendant you get from Reah's corpse. If anyone can explain why he does that, it could help us find more precisely where it's supposed to be used, possibly in Anor Londo.


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:15 pm

    The only explanation from a criminal point of view to drop an item would be to implicate someone else as the murderer. If the pendant really is tied to Gwyndolin then it could be he wanted to send a message she betrayed her covenant and/or make it look like a Darkmoon did it.

    From a religious perspective an item would be left as part of a rite. I doubt it is correlated to the Catholic "last rites" as it would be expected that Rhea would leave pendants for her pals. Although I concede that they aren't killed until after we get there and the corpses don't remain. However, I theorized a while ago that the trio of corpses in the ToG is Rhea and the bodyguards. I have no idea if that's so but seems to fit somewhat. If it IS true then two of those corpses should have had pendants. So....a different rite. I know there's speculation that Petrus is an assassin or is bound to "clean up" should the mission fail so it could be a rite of assassination or the pendant is used as a decree or writ of assassination. His actions and words don't add up to assassin to me but that's certainly a possibility.

    This is all assuming the pendant is tied to him at all. I haven't read all the theories on it belonging to Petrus so won't go there at but the above are the only motivations that leap out.....wait....just thought of one more.....

    I also accused one of the bodyguards of having a thing for Rhea. I still stand by that but what if Petrus did too? Nothing like a lover scorned right? Petrus being at Firelink first meant that Rhea and the guards had some time without him. Maybe upon their reunion Petrus noticed some googly eyes in between divine skull crushing in the catacombs, went crazy with jealousy and abandoned the group. I won't (continue) boring you with murder motives but after the deed is done......he feels compelled to offer a final gift.

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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by Emergence on Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:21 pm

    Welllllll with the pendant, it is something you earn as a prize for a successful Forest Invasion.

    Here is always what intrigued me about the Hunters: the overlap in methodology with the Darkmoons.

    Both covenants have a summoning ring.
    Both covenants invade as blue spirits. Green or any other color could have easily been used.

    It just seems like one was modeled after the other, perhaps in emulation.

    Now with a pendant possibly being Gwyndolins, we have something linking both covenants.

    Petrus in the text dumps refers to himself at one point as "a wolf in sheep's clothing", which may imply he was a Hunter undercover in the WoW. May also explain why he has a pendant.

    I have always never quite bought Alvina as the covenant head, more of a caretaker to be honest. These covenants typically have gods or demigods as their heads. Someone else may be behind this covenant completely.


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:14 pm

    I think Petrus's connection with the pendant have to do with the description. The fod memories comforting travellers may have to o with the journey after death. By dropping on the corpse of the person he kills he wishes them an easy journey to the afterlife. Sort of like ho the greeks used to put coins under the tongues of their dead so they could pay charon to ferry them across the river.


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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by ublug on Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:56 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:I think Petrus's connection with the pendant have to do with the description. The fond memories comforting travellers may have to do with the journey after death. By dropping on the corpse of the person he kills he wishes them an easy journey to the afterlife. Sort of like how the greeks used to put coins under the tongues of their dead so they could pay charon to ferry them across the river.
    He also gives you a copper coin: Those who dream of returning to the outside world are fond of carrying these around.

    Petrus just fled from the catacombs without helping the others, he didn't cause the incident, but maybe he had something else planned. Maybe his motives to kill her was just to silence her. He will initially require you to join the covenant to learn miracles, but when Reah arrives he'll teach them without joining, why? Reah will not require you to join the covenant either. From what he says it sounds like he's got some dislikes against her family for being of a higher caste: The head bishop of the Way of White is the guardian of law and caste, and one of the great royals of Thorolund.
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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:07 am

    Apart from my meanderings above my first impression was that he wasn't a fan of rhea. Also, i don't think he initially has the guts to off her. He abandons them and then later tries to get you to kill her for him. Only after you let her live a while does the murder happen. I speculate that, unless its a frame up Petrus isn't leaving jack on Rhea's corpse. The rite of death idea is fascinating but if he followed a specific tradition (like coins under tongue or on eyes) that's a clue on who killed her. So if petrus dropped the pendant on purpose, I believe its intended to implicate someone else.

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    Re: Pendant Theories

    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:21 am

    What about the pendant's connection to the 'undead pilgrimage' to the bell(s) of awakening? I always thought that those that have a darksign are thrown into the asylum to 'await the end of days' and yet the bells exist to awaken Frampt. Maybe the pendants ARE a sort of last rite. If they were thrown into the asylum and then given the pendant or something like that.

    I am also curious about the ties it has to the hunters, the WoW, and Anor Londo. Maybe the pendants where for those who took pilgrimages to Lordran to converse with the gods? I like to think that 'The Land of Lords' was atleast seen as a holy land in the past.


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