How to deal with these kind of builds?

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    How to deal with these kind of builds?

    Post by Lmaousine on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:36 am

    http://mmdks.com/3365

    How to deal with those people who obviously min/maxed with mugenmonkey and spam Great Combustion/Black Flame on wake up?

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    Re: How to deal with these kind of builds?

    Post by Carphil on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:44 am

    The point of min/maxing is to create a perfect build where you have many pros but almost no cons, which can be obviously seen in your example. That build includes: high poise, health, damage and speed.

    I say just create another boring/efficient build and try to match that one


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    Re: How to deal with these kind of builds?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:49 am

    ^^ An example build would be something like this: http://mmdks.com/335s

    Typical Min/Max and has weapon diversity. Otherwise you just let your mechanical skill carry you through in order to dominate them.


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    Re: How to deal with these kind of builds?

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:58 am

    You could probably run an unorthodox thing like flash sweat, but a more plausible counter is to menu-swap black knight shield (very popular anti-pyro).  This build can still get stunlocked by UGS, UGH in one hit and 2 hits from anything like hammers, axes, and great swords.

    Aside from the obvious like "kill it with dark magic", "carry high poise and poise BS the pyros", "do it back", things like WoG, or things like spear flips + pokes?

    Really any min/maxed build should have SOMETHING that can answer dexterity with pyro, just as it should have some way of dealing with high magic damage (even if it's just fast roll) and stunlock stuff (poise or poke).

    I killed a SL 120 version of just something like this in the forest in full giant's with a mace at SL 92.  Smack, smack (stagger), smack (stagger) ---> backstab...since I'd hit him once prior this easily did enough damage to kill him outright (this combo alone is going to do over 1600).  The only issue was catching him getting a little too close before going into the katana poke, allowing a 2nd hit to connect + stagger.  For him to win he'd have either had to surprise poise-bs me off an unlocked run or just poke me to death with freaking perfect spacing.

    You're going to need range, buffed damage, high poise + poise break...SOMETHING that you can use to start predicting his movements and then catching him via that prediction...otherwise kat users and spear flippers will pick you apart if you let them get away with stuff.

     
    ^^ An example build would be something like this: http://mmdks.com/335s

    You'd have to be very careful.  If he had black flame on 45 dex (not unlikely) it can stunlock that poise easily.  With a build like you have you'd have no choice but to get into a poke match, where you'd have a slight advantage but not a huge one.  You can't trade with 60+ poise and BF like that happy.

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    Re: How to deal with these kind of builds?

    Post by Animaaal on Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:10 am

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    Re: How to deal with these kind of builds?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:53 am

    How to deal with min-maxers is to... min-max yourself?  Obviously if somebody has a stronger build than you, you will just have to work harder than them to win, there is no monolithic strategy to beat people who use better builds than you.

    My strategy for dealing with combustion spam is if I have flip, roll BS it.  If I don't, then I just avoid it until they run out of combusts.  If you're having trouble with avoiding it on wake-up, stop getting BS'd.


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